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To: Iscool
Not according to God's words...Repentance and accepting Jesus as your Saviour are the ordinary and ONLY means of Salvation...Any other way will get you into Hell...Eternal damnation...

One would be smart to 'dump' those church fathers and pick up a dime store bible and find the TRUTH...

Do you have this verse in your Bible?

1Pe 3:21 And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Or this one: Mat 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Dang those pesky facts

44 posted on 06/29/2008 9:02:55 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga
Do you have this verse in your Bible?

1Pe 3:21 And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

No, I don't...Where'd you get a perversion like that???

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Were you saved by water like Noah??? Noah got saved by NOT GETTING WET...The people that got immersed in the water all died...

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The like figure, or, the picture...Baptism is a 'picture' or 'figure' of your Salvation that is 'like' the account of Noah and his family being saved...And if Baptism is a 'figure', it is not the real thing...It is like the real thing...The real thing was Noah being saved by NOT falling into the water...

Baptism give a figure of what happened to us at Salvation...The figure is like what happened to Noah...

Did Noah get baptized??? NO...Did Noah get sprinkled??? NO...Did he get immersed??? No...Noah didn't even get wet...

Baptism pictures death, burial and resurrection (Rom 6:1-4)... A person who is not already a Christian can not be a partaker in the baptism...Therefore you can't get saved by baptism...

(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,)

No unsaved man has a 'good conscience, to answer...

Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Or this one: Mat 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Dang those pesky facts

I'll let you know if I see one...

The next verse is a continuation of that verse

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

So what did Jesus teach them that they are to do??? Do you know???

Footwashing, healing the sick, cleansing lepers, raising the dead, NOT taking up an offering, going to Israel only, keeping the Sabbath, abstaining from eating pork, no haircuts, no shaves, and everything in the Sermon on the Mount...

Does this sound like your Catholic church??? Do you observe all things that Jesus commanded??? NO??? Why not???

Did the disciples go to all nations to preach??? NO??? They stayed in Jerusalem??? Why's that??? And Peter, James and John wind up preaching to Jews only, not all the nations??? Why's that???

And Peter baptized in the name of Jesus...Not the Trinity...Why's that??? Do you know??? Do you know anything about any of the scripture you are quoting???

62 posted on 06/29/2008 12:40:45 PM PDT by Iscool
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