Posted on 06/25/2008 1:50:05 PM PDT by NYer
One more set of references to the birth of Christ. As the scriptures call it a birth, I see nowhere where birth means anything other than birth.
Isa. 7: 14 a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son.
Isa. 9: 6 unto us a child is born.
Matt. 2: 1 Jesus was born in Bethlehem.
Luke 2: 11 unto you is born this day . . . a Saviour, which is Christ.
Rom. 1: 3 Jesus . . . made of the seed of David.
Gal. 4: 4 God sent . . . Son, made of a woman.
I am interested in your thoughts in it though. Where do you get the idea from?
2 Sam 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
So did she have a child after she died?
Then why did he give care of Mary to John, which was clearly a violation of Jewish Law?
Unto the day of her death, not until.
Where is the mosaic law is that a violation?
The producers aren’t stupid. They will claim that the movie is being suppressed by a Vatican conspiracy.
It's interesting that the entire church, both Eastern and Western, believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary for a long time, as you can see from reading the early Church Fathers. The idea that she had other children or a sexual relationship with Joseph is of quite recent vintage.
Depends on the version. You’re intentionally missing the point, but that’s nothing new around here anymore.
Have a nice day.
The testimony of all the ancient churches (Catholic, Orthodox, etc) is against your interpretation.
Also, you are in error citing the Immaculate Conception. That pertains to Mary's freedom from the stain of all sin from the moment of her conception in her mother's womb. You are referencing the "Virgin Birth," which, obviously, is quite different, both in terms of action and timeframe.
You’re kidding me. Even forgetting about the doctrinal errors, the books were just bad writing, too many adverbs for one, too many historical errors passed off as facts for another. I’d find the Potter books better written. For more entertaining reading, i’d rather recommend PG Wodehouse
you call them “ancient churches” — I call them the Apostolic Church, One and Whole — Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental, Assyrian, all just parts of this One Church
I liked the near continuous action. Don’t get a chance to read a lot so the book must keep my interest. BTW: Da Vinci Code. 19th best selling book all time.
Not missing the point. Just don’t think it’s all that relevant. John was Jesus’s beloved. That the Christ would want to keep him associated with His mother speaks volumes. It wasn’t just Mary who became Johns Mother, it was John who became her son.
It's not my intent to hijack this thread about Dan Brown, but with this discussion, let me answer the questions posed to me by you and others...
Bottom line for me is this... Despite the theological differences where we disagree, one thing remains certain. Mary was the most perfect and virtuous woman on earth, she was called and chosen to be the mother of the Son of God.
Centuries before her birth, Book of Mormon prophets referred to Mary by name in prophecies of her vital mission (Mosiah 3:8). Describing her as “most beautiful and fair above all other virgins” (1 Ne. 11:13-20) and a “precious and chosen vessel” (Alma 7:10), they prophesied that Mary would bear the Son of God and was therefore blessed above all other women.
An LDS apostle had this to say about Mary. “We cannot but think that the Father would choose the greatest female spirit to be the mother of his Son, even as he chose the male spirit like unto him to be the Savior” (McConkie, p. 327).
Mary's willingness to submit to the will of the Father is also noted in the biblical account. When Gabriel announced that she would be the mother of the Savior, Mary was perplexed; yet she did not waiver in her humble obedience and faith in God. Her response was unadorned: “Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word” (Luke 1:38).
Had Judah been a free nation, Mary could have been recognized as a princess of royal blood through descent from David. Being of that earthly lineage, Jesus was correctly called a descendant of David.
One thing of note here... As a faithful Jewish woman, she followed the customs of her day. At least forty-one days after giving birth to her first son, Mary went to the Court of the Women, where she became ceremonially clean in the purification rite, offering two turtledoves or two pigeons at the temple as a sacrifice (Luke 2:22-24).
Had she not given birth, as MGHinTN suggests, would such a purification rite be necessary?
Doctrinally, Latter-day Saints do not view Mary as the intercessor with her son in behalf of those who pray and they do not pray to her. We affirm the virgin birth but reject the traditions of the immaculate conception, of Mary's perpetual virginity, and of her “assumption” Mary, like all mortals, returns to the Father only through the Atonement of her son Jesus Christ.
As far as the Immaculate conception, I think the bottom line in our differing doctrine is about the fall of Adam. Latter-day Saints accept neither the doctrine of original sin nor the need for Mary's immaculate conception. Instead, we believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression, because Jesus’ Atonement redeems all, including Mary, from the responsibility for Adam's trespass (Moro. 8:8). “God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God” (D&C 93:38). For Latter-day Saints, Mary was a choice servant selected by God to be the mother of Jesus.
There is some material here from the Encyclopeida of Mormonism. Hope this helps in understanding our differences, and why we think so.
Cheers.
again — it is a bit too simplistic — if I may suggest, try and pickup Code of the Woosters — now that is mad-cap action, humour and good writing!
It's not that I haven't tried to enjoy them, I just can't get in to Monty Python, wizards, Scotland yard detective, Dr. Who, etc.... Not saying it's bad just, not my cup of tea, if you will.
When is it going to be released? I need to see this.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.