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To: xzins
True believers hang in there. Period. No exceptions.

Even true believers can stumble and fall, like Judas. As Paul reminds us in Romans 5:2, we rejoice in the "hope" (not the presumptuous certainty) of sharing the glory of God. If salvation is absolutely assured after accepting Jesus as Savior, why would Paul hope?

11 posted on 06/17/2008 9:59:42 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
Sorry, NY, but the mark of a True Believer is that they DO persevere. Those who persevere were and those who don't weren't.

1 John 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

12 posted on 06/17/2008 10:12:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: NYer
If salvation is absolutely assured after accepting Jesus as Savior, why would Paul hope?

Paul doesn't hope like you all and your pope...

̓λπίς
elpis
el-pece'

From ἔλπω elpō which is a primary word (to anticipate, usually with pleasure); expectation (abstract or concrete) or confidence: - faith, hope.

Hope is conficence, expectation, anticipation...

It is NOT wishful thinking like you guys have...

49 posted on 06/18/2008 7:36:59 AM PDT by Iscool
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