Posted on 06/10/2008 10:10:18 AM PDT by dangus
One controversial translation issue is the phrase, “mia ton sabbaton.” This has traditionally been translated as “the first of the week.” Under pressure from 7th-day Adventists, however, some translations of the bible have taken to translate this “on one of the Sabbaths.” But the Adventists’ translation is based on a faulty transliteration. In the Greek, “sabbaton” is spelled with either an omicron (“small ‘o’”) or an omega (“big ‘o’”). When spelled with an omega, “sabbaton” is the genitive plural. In other words, it means “Sabbaths’.” The Adventists’ position is that “primus” means “first;” “mia” means closer to the number, one. This is ordinarily true, but “primus” means “first” not only in time, but priority. Hence, to call Sunday the “primus” day of the week would be to denigrate the Sabbath. Hence, a strange idiom meaning, roughly, “Sabbaths’s one” is used for the first day of the week. The Adventists’ position would mean that for no reason, the bible uses a grammar which makes no sense: If the bible had meant “on one of the Sabbaths,” there’s no reason it would state, instead, “on one of the Sabbaths’.” An English speaker, fluent in Greek would ask, “on the Sabbaths’ one what?” Other bible passages make clear that the Resurrection took place on a Sunday, which would mean the Adventists’ translation contradicts other scripture… or makes one have to create more strange translation. A traditional reading of Luke 23:56-24:1 suggests Christ’s followers worked with all due diligence. Immediately after burying Christ, they prepared his burial ointments, then “On the Sabbath day, they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week…” The Adventists reading would have them resting on the Sabbath, according to the commandment, “but on one of the Sabbaths.” The Adventists’ position is that the Sabbath they rested on wasn’t a Saturday, but was a different kind of Sabbath, so that one Sabbath can immediately follow another. (Leviticus does call two other holy days Sabbaths.) While that might explain how “one of the Sabbaths” (if that were actually a valid translation) might make sense in general, it certainly doesn’t suggest that the author refers to a Sabbath on the very next day. Rather, one gets the sense that such events happened some undetermined number of weeks later. One reason that Adventists gain some cache with such odd claims, however, is that the timeline of events in the gospels is somewhat difficult to understand. According to traditional interpretations of the bible, Jesus celebrates Passover with his disciples, is condemned, killed, and then buried… all before the Jews celebrate Passover. The Adventists correctly assert that the evening after the crucifixion is not actually Passover! But they get the meaning of that wrong. The Essenes, who formed the core of Jesus’ disciples (Peter, John, Andrew, and others) celebrated Passover according to a different calculation than the Sanhedrin. That Jesus’ apostles are depicted as doing what the Sanhedrin would have regarded as women’s work in preparation for the Passover confirms that Jesus was celebrating the Passover according to the Essene tradition. The Essenes celebrated Passover from what would have been Thursday evening through Friday afternoon. Hence, Jesus offered himself as the sacrifice of the seder, and was killed the next day, all within the Passover. Then, the Sanherin began their Passover. Many Adventists suppose that the “day of Preparation” is only preparation for the Sabbath. Luke 23:55-24:1 confirms the traditional timeline: They buried him on one day, rested for the Sabbath, then went back on the morning of the third day to anoint the body with spices, as Jewish custom dictated must be done in all appropriate haste. If we were dead for three days, as we count days, then the bible omits mention of one day, leaving the reader to wonder why they neglected his body that day. Even though he was dead for only about 40 hours, he was dead for three days by the way days were counted then: he was dead on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. If three days meant he had to be dead for the largest part of each day, he would not have risen until the fourth day. The observance of Sunday is a remembrance of the Resurrection. It is in honor of his resurrection, not as a substitute for a Saturday Sabbath, that Christians choose Sunday as a day of prayer. Some people suppose that when Christ healed on the Sabbath, he was excused because the work was so critical, yet Jesus and his disciples did such mundane work as harvesting food for their immediate consumption (Mt 12:1). Given Jesus’ fasts, certainly satisfying hunger was no such critical labor. It is senseless to suppose that one is going to Hell because one fails to keep the Sabbath properly. As Paul preached, “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day (Col 2:16).” The Sabbath was a day to renew our bodies and spirits. As Jesus stated, “The Sabbath was made for Man, not Man for the Sabbath (Mk 2:27)” Today, this purpose is fulfilled by keeping holy the day on which Christ rose from the dead.
For example?
“and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.” (Matthew 20:19)
He was.
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
He was raised on the third day:
1. Entombed at sunset, Wednesday. To daybreak Thursday = 0 days, 1 night.
2. Thursday sunrise to sunset = 1 day, 1 night.
3. Thursday sunset to Friday sunrise = 1 day, 2 nights.
4. Friday sunrise to Friday sunset = 2 days, 2 nights.
5. Friday sunset to Saturday sunrise = 2 days, 3 nights.
6. Saturday sunrise to sunset - Resurrection = 3 days, 3 nights in the tomb.
He rose on the day number three, the third day.
The only sign Our Saviour gave to prove his Messiah-ship was [Matthew 12:39-40] 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Now there is absolutely nothing under the sun which would lead someone to believe that He was not speaking here of 72 hours.
[John 11:9-10] 9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. Here Our Lord is confirming a 24 hour time period.....twelve hours of light and twelve hours of darkness.
[Genesis 1:4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. and if you read [Genesis 1:4-13] you will find that there are three periods of darkness and three periods of light....the third day.
We have established two scriptural witnesses in Matthew and in Jonah setting the time of entombment to be 72 hours [Matthew 12:40]. Let's look again at four others.
[Matthew 27:63] Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. There is no way this can be construed to mean anything less than 72 hours.
[Mark 8:31] And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. There is no way this can be construed as anything less than 72 hours.
[Mark 9:31] For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. There is no way this can be construed to mean anything more than 72 hours or less than 48.
[John 2:19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. And again, this can mean nothing more than 72 hours nor less than 48.
I hate to be so redundant.....but I have now given you 6 scriptural references showing the length of entombment to be 72 hours. There is no way possible for Our Lord to have been entombed on a Friday afternoon and resurrected on a Sunday morning. It is false doctrine....and you, my good FRiend should divorce yourself from any organization that teaches this! A Wednesday Sunset entombment (Nisan 14) and a Sabbath day Sunset resurrection (Nisan 17) is 72 hours! And it follows scripture...unlike your tradition!
>> In regards to my last post, Post 101, I forgot to add that the year 33AD, which is the year many false prophets try to use as Yeshua’s death, is also proven to be false by my previous post. The 17th Nisan happens to fall on a Monday in that year. Oh my!! What a dilema, Dangus. Duh!! <<
This is why I don’t bother with you anymore. It’s obvious that my position is that he died on the 14th (Friday) and rose on the 16th (Sunday).
The “tear-down-this-temple” argument is novel from you, and worthy of addressing.
He told the Jews “tear this temple down...” The Jews didn’t kill Jesus; they condemned him and let the Romans kill him. The Jews did this some time Thursday night. He rose Sunday morning.
Harrymehome, when it suits your purposes, you acknowledge that the passover is properly the 14th, even though the modern Jews celebrate it on the 15th. Yet when you calculate the date of Passover, you cling to the modern Jewish calculation. You have to be consistent.
If that's the case.....how come scripture never mentions it? But....instead trumpets a Sabbath resurrection!
I wonder.....just what could be the motive for trying to pull the wool over mankind's eyes for all these years? Something sinister....no doubt. The one commandment God asks us to remember....and they do their utmost to cause us to forget!
>> If that’s the case.....how come scripture never mentions it? But....instead trumpets a Sabbath resurrection! <<
Right... this is why I was done talking to you. You always presuppose your own arguments, ignoring the fact that I ever wrote anything to you.
Correct....I always presuppose my own arguments. If I didn't do this I wouldn't argue it to begin with.
ignoring the fact that I ever wrote anything to you.
How do you suppose I could do this....but yet counter every one of your traditional stands with factual scripture? If I had never responded to you, then....and only then could you say I was ignoring you.
Dear FRiend. I would never ignore you. I know you to be a fine person....a God fearing individual who just needs a little more education. I always enjoy talking to you.
You've just about nailed it.....except the Term used in [Acts 20:7] and in [1 Corinthians 16:2], MIA TWN SABBATWN means on "One of the Sabbaths". The other verses that speak of Resurrection Sabbath say "First of the Sabbaths".
[Luke 6:1] means "Second of the Sabbaths"....and in all cases the Apostles were referring to "ONE" of the seven special Sabbaths between Pesach and Shavuot.
I’ll check into it. It may take a few days before I can get back in touch.
They convinced the early church that Sunday was the day of resurrection and that God's special Sabbaths and Feast Days had been done away with....nailed to the cross, so to speak. The people ignored their heritage and instead began to follow this insidious organization based upon falsehoods. The new doctrine became so convincing that even great reformers 1200 years later could not see the obvious error and felt no need....to again honor God and his Holy convocations.... continuing on with grievous error. Today... any Christian who celebrates the Sabbath is automatically dismissed as a screwball. Any Christian who observes God's Feast Days as well is thought to be enslaved to legalism.
The reasons for this continued Apostasy are many.....but mainly have to do with human traits. Man always seeks ways to get.....while God's ways are always based upon giving. The Church has always been intent on power and control..... and keeping it.
In this thread we have seen how seven simple words (on the first day of the week) mistranslated.... have altered and changed the intent of God's plan for mankind. To say it is not the work of Satan would be the epitome of naivete'.
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