The First Day of the Week

Vanity ^ | 6-10-08 | Dangus

[Harrymehome]

To Dangus:

I can understand why you want to close the case, just as you did with Diego. You can’t handle the heat so you’re running for the exits. I’ve got some more heat for you. You say in regards to Numbers 28:17,18:

The very passage from Strongs’ you quote translated it as “week.”

Yes, of course 7 days is a week. You think you’re slick, when everyone can see right through you. Why didn’t you use Strong’s with reference to holy convocation or no manner of servile work, which is a Sabbath. The verse says:

Numbers 28:17,18
And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:

No one with half a brain needs a concordance to figure out first day of the seven days means the 15th and “holy convocation” and “no manner of work” means Sabbath. You’re wrong, distort the Bible, and quote things from Strong’s that don’t even relate and falsely say the 15th is not a Sabbath. Your credibility is zilch, since this topic is so fundamentally easy to understand and read straight from Scripture. It has become obvious to the forum that you are not honorable in what you say.

High Sabbaths refer to the annual festivals recorded
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sabbath

"High Sabbath" days, although they do not necessarily fall on the weekly Sabbath. "High Sabbath" days are mandatory rest days which occur during some feast days. They are identified in Lev. 23:7, 8, 21, 24, 27, 28, 32, 35, 36, 39. Just as with the weekly Sabbath, the day before any "High Sabbath" is a "preparation day." This means Passover, the 14th, is also the "preparation day" for the "High Sabbath" on the 15th, [see: John 18:28, 19:14,31]. http://www.inplainsite.org/html/seven_feasts_of_israel.html

You say:
Duh! Shabbaowah is a Jewish text.

Duh, duh!! What is the Jewish text and verse? We would like to see it. Author, version, copy of verse, etc. Substantiate what you say. I hope its better than your distorted version of Strong’s concordance and Bible in reference to the 15th as not being a Sabbath.

I don’t have any of the ancient texts with me, but I’ll be researching some very shortly. Get ready for another scalding. Duh!!

Here’s another analyses that proves a Saturday 7th day Sabbath resurrection. It’s common knowledge that all feast days are set on dates of the month and not based on days of the week. The 6th Sivan is Feast of weeks (Shavouat) or Pentecost. On day 49 Yeshua left the apostles, after being with them for 40 days (Acts 1:3). They walked back to Jerusalem and after dusk when the 50th day (Pentecost) was “fully come” (Acts 2:1) and it was night, then appeared the Holy Ghost. If we count back 40 days inclusive from day 49, the 5th of Sivan, we arrive to 25Nisan as the first day of the 40 days. This day, 25Nisan, is also the day “after” Yeshua returned from having left for 8 complete days. This is very important to understand. If I tell you to meet me after 1 day, it doesn’t mean to meet me that day, but the following day.

John 20:26
And “after” eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

“After” means just that, a complete 8 days had gone by. That places the first day of the eight days of his disappearance as the 17th of Nisan. That day my friend is "the first of the Sabbaths", the same day Mary appeared at the tomb. A 7th day Sabbath.

Joh 20:19 Then the “same” day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Very important Note!
From the ancient, and accurate original texts, we have learned that the term “first day of the week” means the “first of the Sabbaths” meaning, as we will shortly see, first 7th day Sabbath of the Omer 49 day count. Impossible for the word Sabbaths, in the term “first of the Sabbaths” to mean weeks, as Dangus tries to falsely portray. To continue, the verse really says “day at evening, being the first of the Sabbaths ”. Not “day at evening, being the first of the weeks ” as Dangus would try to have us believe. A day is not a week!!!! Thus the verse should read “Then the “same” day at evening, being the first of the Sabbaths, when …” , day being first Sabbath day and not a Sabbath week.

This is just another of the many ways to prove that the resurrection was on a Saturday Sabbath and that Mary visited the tomb that same day.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

[DouglasKC]

He rose after being in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights as he prophesized. He rose on the 3rd day. << The problem with this line of reason is that the statements that Christ will rise or rose on the third day all refer to his dying, and rising on the third day. None of the twenty-something references to rising on the third day say anything about being in a tomb or being buried.

For example?

[dangus]

“and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.” (Matthew 20:19)

[DouglasKC]

“and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.” (Matthew 20:19)

He was.

1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

He was raised on the third day:

1. Entombed at sunset, Wednesday. To daybreak Thursday = 0 days, 1 night.

2. Thursday sunrise to sunset = 1 day, 1 night.

3. Thursday sunset to Friday sunrise = 1 day, 2 nights.

4. Friday sunrise to Friday sunset = 2 days, 2 nights.

5. Friday sunset to Saturday sunrise = 2 days, 3 nights.

6. Saturday sunrise to sunset - Resurrection = 3 days, 3 nights in the tomb.

He rose on the day number three, the third day.

[Harrymehome]

In regards to my last post, Post 101, I forgot to add that the year 33AD, which is the year many false prophets try to use as Yeshua’s death, is also proven to be false by my previous post. The 17th Nisan happens to fall on a Monday in that year. Oh my!! What a dilema, Dangus. Duh!!

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

[Diego1618]

“and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.” (Matthew 20:19)

The only sign Our Saviour gave to prove his Messiah-ship was [Matthew 12:39-40] 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Now there is absolutely nothing under the sun which would lead someone to believe that He was not speaking here of 72 hours.

[John 11:9-10] 9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. Here Our Lord is confirming a 24 hour time period.....twelve hours of light and twelve hours of darkness.

[Genesis 1:4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. and if you read [Genesis 1:4-13] you will find that there are three periods of darkness and three periods of light....the third day.

We have established two scriptural witnesses in Matthew and in Jonah setting the time of entombment to be 72 hours [Matthew 12:40]. Let's look again at four others.

[Matthew 27:63] Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. There is no way this can be construed to mean anything less than 72 hours.

[Mark 8:31] And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. There is no way this can be construed as anything less than 72 hours.

[Mark 9:31] For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. There is no way this can be construed to mean anything more than 72 hours or less than 48.

[John 2:19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. And again, this can mean nothing more than 72 hours nor less than 48.

I hate to be so redundant.....but I have now given you 6 scriptural references showing the length of entombment to be 72 hours. There is no way possible for Our Lord to have been entombed on a Friday afternoon and resurrected on a Sunday morning. It is false doctrine....and you, my good FRiend should divorce yourself from any organization that teaches this! A Wednesday Sunset entombment (Nisan 14) and a Sabbath day Sunset resurrection (Nisan 17) is 72 hours! And it follows scripture...unlike your tradition!

[dangus]

>> In regards to my last post, Post 101, I forgot to add that the year 33AD, which is the year many false prophets try to use as Yeshua’s death, is also proven to be false by my previous post. The 17th Nisan happens to fall on a Monday in that year. Oh my!! What a dilema, Dangus. Duh!! <<

This is why I don’t bother with you anymore. It’s obvious that my position is that he died on the 14th (Friday) and rose on the 16th (Sunday).

[dangus]

The “tear-down-this-temple” argument is novel from you, and worthy of addressing.

He told the Jews “tear this temple down...” The Jews didn’t kill Jesus; they condemned him and let the Romans kill him. The Jews did this some time Thursday night. He rose Sunday morning.

[Harrymehome]

Duh, you totally miss the point. The 17th would have had to be a Sunday on the 17th of Nisan 33AD, not a Monday, in order for Yeshua to have resurrected on a Sunday. Yeshua was gone 8 days and was an additional 40 days on earth. Total is 48. Go back 48 days from 5Sivan (inclusive) and you end up on 17 Nisan 33AD. That’s a Monday, not a Sunday. This proves you are wrong about a Sunday resurrection and that his resurrection was on a Saturday. The 48 days back up from 5Sivan, the 49th day, only works for 17 Nisan 30AD, a Saturday Sabbath, confirming the “first of the Sabbaths”.

Blessings in your desperate search for TRUTH

[dangus]

Harrymehome, when it suits your purposes, you acknowledge that the passover is properly the 14th, even though the modern Jews celebrate it on the 15th. Yet when you calculate the date of Passover, you cling to the modern Jewish calculation. You have to be consistent.

[Diego1618]

” The Jews didn’t kill Jesus; they condemned him and let the Romans kill him. The Jews did this some time Thursday night. He rose Sunday morning.

If that's the case.....how come scripture never mentions it? But....instead trumpets a Sabbath resurrection!

I wonder.....just what could be the motive for trying to pull the wool over mankind's eyes for all these years? Something sinister....no doubt. The one commandment God asks us to remember....and they do their utmost to cause us to forget!

[dangus]

>> If that’s the case.....how come scripture never mentions it? But....instead trumpets a Sabbath resurrection! <<

Right... this is why I was done talking to you. You always presuppose your own arguments, ignoring the fact that I ever wrote anything to you.

[Diego1618]

You always presuppose your own arguments.

Correct....I always presuppose my own arguments. If I didn't do this I wouldn't argue it to begin with.

ignoring the fact that I ever wrote anything to you.

How do you suppose I could do this....but yet counter every one of your traditional stands with factual scripture? If I had never responded to you, then....and only then could you say I was ignoring you.

Dear FRiend. I would never ignore you. I know you to be a fine person....a God fearing individual who just needs a little more education. I always enjoy talking to you.

[Harrymehome]

Passover has different meanings. Just have to read the context and derive the specific event. It can mean the passover feast, passover sacrifice, or even the passover season. Just like the current pagan christians celebrate Christmas which can mean the Christmas season, Christmas day, or maybe just Chrismas eve.

Don't try to change the topic by saying "you calculate the date of Passover, you cling to the modern Jewish calculation." where did I do that, so I can go back and see what in the world you're talking about. I'm still waiting for the verse, author, etc of that Jewish text that resembles the word Shabbatwash which looks like something you may have invented. waiting for the text.

The Passover Feast of Unleavened Bread meal at about 7PM (just after sundown on the 14th) on the night of the 15th is one thing. In order to eat the passover meal they had to kill the passover lamb about 4 hours before on the 14th at 3PM. that's another passover season event. So what is your point? I proved forward from the 14th and backwards from day 49 of the Omer that he rose on "the first of the Sabbaths" the 17th of Nisan 30AD. Not a Sunday, 16Nisan33AD. It doesn't come anywhere close to fitting the 3 days and 3 nights going forward nor does it fall on a Sunday when you calculate it going backwards from the 49th day of the Omer. That's the issue. I know you're a bit confused, but study it carefully and you'll get it.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

[Harrymehome]

It’s awful quite.

In regards to my Posts 101,105,109, and 114, I get no responses. I guess we can all assume that everyone concedes and agrees that the modern Biblical versions that say “the first day of the week” is a false translation and is actually, from the ancient versions, “the first of the sabbaths” which really means the 7th day Sabbath of 17 Nisan 30 AD and not , I repeat not, “first of the weeks” as some would try to have us believe. To sum it up, Yeshua died on a Wednesday, 14Nisan 3790 (30AD) and resurrected on Saturday Sabbath 17Nisan 3790 (30AD) and Mary appeared at the tomb that same day at dawn before the rising of the sun.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH.

[Diego1618]

I guess we can all assume that everyone concedes and agrees that the modern Biblical versions that say “the first day of the week” is a false translation and is actually, from the ancient versions, “the first of the sabbaths” which really means the 7th day Sabbath of 17 Nisan 30 AD and not , I repeat not, “first of the weeks” as some would try to have us believe.

You've just about nailed it.....except the Term used in [Acts 20:7] and in [1 Corinthians 16:2], MIA TWN SABBATWN means on "One of the Sabbaths". The other verses that speak of Resurrection Sabbath say "First of the Sabbaths".

[Luke 6:1] means "Second of the Sabbaths"....and in all cases the Apostles were referring to "ONE" of the seven special Sabbaths between Pesach and Shavuot.

[Harrymehome]

I’ll check into it. It may take a few days before I can get back in touch.

[Harrymehome]

I checked in my notes real quick and yes, you are right about Acts 20:7 and in 1 Corinthians 16:2, MIA TWN SABBATWN means on "One of the Sabbaths". The Vulgate says “per unam sabbati”, unam meaning one. You could very well be right about Luke 6:1. It may take me more to time research since I’m real busy right now. You can send me your research on the verse if you have any.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH.

[Diego1618]

Isn't it amazing that an organization has existed for 1700 years that thrives on misinformation and false doctrine. The Roman Church.....in its quest for control and absolute power over the minds of gullible people have managed to take simple, translatable words left by the Apostles and twist them to fit a story that has no resemblance to anything scriptural.

They convinced the early church that Sunday was the day of resurrection and that God's special Sabbaths and Feast Days had been done away with....nailed to the cross, so to speak. The people ignored their heritage and instead began to follow this insidious organization based upon falsehoods. The new doctrine became so convincing that even great reformers 1200 years later could not see the obvious error and felt no need....to again honor God and his Holy convocations.... continuing on with grievous error. Today... any Christian who celebrates the Sabbath is automatically dismissed as a screwball. Any Christian who observes God's Feast Days as well is thought to be enslaved to legalism.

The reasons for this continued Apostasy are many.....but mainly have to do with human traits. Man always seeks ways to get.....while God's ways are always based upon giving. The Church has always been intent on power and control..... and keeping it.

In this thread we have seen how seven simple words (on the first day of the week) mistranslated.... have altered and changed the intent of God's plan for mankind. To say it is not the work of Satan would be the epitome of naivete'.

[Harrymehome]

Satan has only begun. We're in for some real bad times. Many more will be deceived.

Blessings