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1 posted on 06/08/2008 9:13:54 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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it should not be too big of a job to point out the scripture that tells us to rest on Sunday instead of saturday.

This is the reason why some groups such as the Seventh Day Adventists insist on celebrating the Sabbath on Saturday.

In the Apostolic period, it was decided that the Lord's Day should be celebrated on the day of the Resurrection, which fell on the first day of the week. That said, this first day is also the "eighth day" of the week, which is the first day of the New Creation as heralded by the Resurrection.

As far as I know, it isn't explicitly spelled out in Scripture, but was taught by the Apostles (to whom Christ gave the Authority to teach, preach and forgive sins) and those following who received that Divine Authority from them. This tradition has continued to the present day, and even most of the Protestant reformers and their followers retained it.

I'm out for the day, but I hope this helps and is worthwhile. Enjoy the Lord's Day.

2 posted on 06/08/2008 9:38:31 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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I will apoligize to the scribes and pharisee,s for my lack of education. it is not fair to them because they can get on the wrong subject so easy.

Will you be including an apology for those remarks, too?

3 posted on 06/08/2008 9:46:30 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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There is no Sunday sabbath for Christians in the Old Testament sense; there is no Saturday sabbath either. We are not under the law. If churches want to have services on Tuesdays, or if people want to work on Sundays and take Thursdays off, there is nothing to forbid it. But the sabbath - at least in terms of the Old Covenant law - is no more.


4 posted on 06/08/2008 9:49:55 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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Then Melchizadek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, and he blessed Abram saying, “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.” Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything (Genesis 14:18-20).

If it was good enough for Abraham (Abram)............

6 posted on 06/08/2008 9:52:13 AM PDT by Soliton
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It seems you were able to obtain an e-mail account, register with FR, understand the instructions on how to post and hit the right keys so how is it you find the “spell” button so obscure? Or perhaps this “poor, humble, uneducated seeker of answers” act has some purpose?
Tell you what, Write something readable and can the humble pie, mea culpa, self effacement role playing and I’ll be happy to address your questions according to what I find in Scripture.
If you can’t do that then I’ve no more time to waste.
Good day.


8 posted on 06/08/2008 9:53:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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I found her for ya.

No thanks necessary.

13 posted on 06/08/2008 10:04:02 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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I have been to many church,s trying to learn and they all claim that the bible is the last word but I do not see anything in the bible that permits the christian church,s to collect tithe,s nor to change the sabaath to sunday.

Question: Why do you think Christians should have to follow the Law on which day to worship (Saturday), but should not follow the Law on how to finance our worship (tithes and offerings). Jesus Christ's sacrificial atonement has met and fulfilled all of our obligations to the Law of Moses. We are no longer obligated to follow it. I think its a matter of semantics. Christians have an obligation to support the ministries they belong to.

14 posted on 06/08/2008 10:05:11 AM PDT by abishai
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The Saturday Sabbath was a Jewish law. Gentiles were never under those laws unless they’d converted to Judaism. With his death on the cross, Christ did away with ALL laws and ordinances.

Colossians 2:14 - “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”

Ephesians 2:14-15 - “For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;”

Galatians 3:13 - “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

Rather than follow the Jewish laws, Christians follow Christ’s example. After his crucifixion, Christ met with his disciples on Sundays. (The Jewish method of time-keeping was to begin counting the current day instead of starting with tomorrow.)

The same with tithing. Gentiles were never given the law of tithing and it was actually a governmental law rather than a religious law. It was the Israelite version of income tax and it was to be used for the care of the orphans and widows.

Abraham tithed only one time in his life and that was because he chose to, not because he was commanded to.

Christian giving is noted in 2 Corinthians 9:6&7 - “But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. (7) Every man acording as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”

(According to the Greek and Hebrew dictionary, the word “bountifully” used here means “regularly”.)

While a specific amount isn’t commanded in the New Testament, we are told to give regularly and cheerfully. Sometimes our giving includes time, materials, labor, etc. rather than just money.

The law was never given on the assumption we could keep it. It was given to show us we COULDN’T and our only hope was the sacrifice of Christ Jesus.


18 posted on 06/08/2008 10:49:34 AM PDT by nodumbblonde
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I will give you my understanding of the question, and I emphasize this is only my understanding.
Sunday services is not at all about the Sabbath. Sunday services is about celebrating the resurrection of the Lord. In other words, every Sunday is a mini-Easter. One is perfectly free to observe the Sabbath, from Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown. But the Sabbath and the Day of our Lord are two completely different occasions as much as the once-a-year Sabbath and the once-a-year Easter are completely different celebrations.
19 posted on 06/08/2008 11:10:19 AM PDT by Excellence (Why do scoundrels like Ayers gravitate to public education when Plan A fails?)
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I have been to many church,s trying to learn and they all claim that the bible is the last word but I do not see anything in the bible that permits the christian church,s to collect tithe,s

I point you to Malachi 3:6-12...

6 "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.
7 Ever since the time of your forefathers you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you," says the LORD Almighty. "But you ask, 'How are we to return?'
8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings.
9 You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me.
10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.
11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty.
12 "Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land," says the LORD Almighty.

31 posted on 06/09/2008 5:38:08 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Personal Methane Reclamation: Break wind for energy independence!)
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"It seems I caused a lot of confussion "

Stopped reading right there.

49 posted on 06/24/2008 5:21:40 AM PDT by OKSooner
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Please. On this site, we refer to her as Senator Clinton.


54 posted on 07/04/2008 9:57:46 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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