I found her for ya.
No thanks necessary.
Posted on 06/08/2008 9:13:54 AM PDT by ravenwolf
The great harlot of revelations.
It seems I caused a lot of confussion by not taking more time in writing the thread, mayby I should have put some smileys in it to let people know that it was not a hate thread, I do not hate the church,s.Please do not take this as an apoligy, I admit that I am a grade school drop out and should have watched my spelling and grammar, but what I wrote was meant to be guestions in the form of comments. that should be easy to understand even for me and much easier for the educated Godly.
I believed there would be enough christians out there who would be aguainted enough with the scriptures to be able to point me to the scriptures that would back up the doctrine of the Sunday sabaath and also the christian church tithing system.
Surly A grade school drop out such as my self should not have to explain what the tithing system is to the colledge educated professionals.
And should not have to explain the differenence between tithes and offerings, and it should not be too big of a job to point out the scripture that tells us to rest on Sunday instead of saturday.
I have been to many church,s trying to learn and they all claim that the bible is the last word but I do not see anything in the bible that permits the christian church,s to collect tithe,s nor to change the sabaath to sunday. if they really believe the bible to be the last word why won,t they tell you where the word is?
I will apoligize to the scribes and pharisee,s for my lack of education. it is not fair to them because they can get on the wrong subject so easy.
This is the reason why some groups such as the Seventh Day Adventists insist on celebrating the Sabbath on Saturday.
In the Apostolic period, it was decided that the Lord's Day should be celebrated on the day of the Resurrection, which fell on the first day of the week. That said, this first day is also the "eighth day" of the week, which is the first day of the New Creation as heralded by the Resurrection.
As far as I know, it isn't explicitly spelled out in Scripture, but was taught by the Apostles (to whom Christ gave the Authority to teach, preach and forgive sins) and those following who received that Divine Authority from them. This tradition has continued to the present day, and even most of the Protestant reformers and their followers retained it.
I'm out for the day, but I hope this helps and is worthwhile. Enjoy the Lord's Day.
Will you be including an apology for those remarks, too?
There is no Sunday sabbath for Christians in the Old Testament sense; there is no Saturday sabbath either. We are not under the law. If churches want to have services on Tuesdays, or if people want to work on Sundays and take Thursdays off, there is nothing to forbid it. But the sabbath - at least in terms of the Old Covenant law - is no more.
Thank you for the reply, it is plain that the early christians did hold church service, evidently from sundown on saturday to whenever. but it was my view that they done this in respect of the sabaath or in respect of the resurection, however I have not been showed any law that changed the law. but I do have an open mind. thanks very much
If it was good enough for Abraham (Abram)............
No.
It seems you were able to obtain an e-mail account, register with FR, understand the instructions on how to post and hit the right keys so how is it you find the “spell” button so obscure? Or perhaps this “poor, humble, uneducated seeker of answers” act has some purpose?
Tell you what, Write something readable and can the humble pie, mea culpa, self effacement role playing and I’ll be happy to address your questions according to what I find in Scripture.
If you can’t do that then I’ve no more time to waste.
Good day.
That is my understanding also, that is why i do not agree with the changing of the sabaath to sunday, if I were to keep the sabaath it would be on saturday. thank you.
thanks for the reply, but as you said Abram gave him a tenth
of everything,
Not paid.
thanks for the reply, but as you said Abram gave him a tenth
of everything,
Not paid.
thanks for the reply, but as you said Abram gave him a tenth
of everything,
Not paid. if people wants to give, there is no problem.
I found her for ya.
No thanks necessary.
Question: Why do you think Christians should have to follow the Law on which day to worship (Saturday), but should not follow the Law on how to finance our worship (tithes and offerings). Jesus Christ's sacrificial atonement has met and fulfilled all of our obligations to the Law of Moses. We are no longer obligated to follow it. I think its a matter of semantics. Christians have an obligation to support the ministries they belong to.
Thank you.
Tithe comes from “tenth”. Nobody has to tithe, it is simply a way for protestant churched to thrive. Almost no one actually tithes anymore.
The Saturday Sabbath was a Jewish law. Gentiles were never under those laws unless they’d converted to Judaism. With his death on the cross, Christ did away with ALL laws and ordinances.
Colossians 2:14 - “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”
Ephesians 2:14-15 - “For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;”
Galatians 3:13 - “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”
Rather than follow the Jewish laws, Christians follow Christ’s example. After his crucifixion, Christ met with his disciples on Sundays. (The Jewish method of time-keeping was to begin counting the current day instead of starting with tomorrow.)
The same with tithing. Gentiles were never given the law of tithing and it was actually a governmental law rather than a religious law. It was the Israelite version of income tax and it was to be used for the care of the orphans and widows.
Abraham tithed only one time in his life and that was because he chose to, not because he was commanded to.
Christian giving is noted in 2 Corinthians 9:6&7 - “But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. (7) Every man acording as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”
(According to the Greek and Hebrew dictionary, the word “bountifully” used here means “regularly”.)
While a specific amount isn’t commanded in the New Testament, we are told to give regularly and cheerfully. Sometimes our giving includes time, materials, labor, etc. rather than just money.
The law was never given on the assumption we could keep it. It was given to show us we COULDN’T and our only hope was the sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
Actually, it would be from Friday, 6pm to Saturday 6pm...
American Sabbath followers don't really follow the Sabbath anyway...
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