Posted on 05/29/2008 8:08:29 AM PDT by Ottofire
Plus, Hagee tells people, right before he passes the collection plate, that if they are unsatisfied with what they have, its because they don’t give enough.
Mr. Hagee needs to go on a diet.
A lot of these ministers seem to overlook that gluttony thing.
Hagee is correct. Jesus never claimed it. Others did.
>Hagee is correct. Jesus never claimed it. Others did.
John 4:25-26, “The woman said to Him, ‘I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.’ 26 Jesus said to her, ‘I who speak to you am He.’”
So what you are saying is that you reject the Scriptures, and have probably some other source for revelation that supports your statement? Please fill us in on this revelation, so that we might test it for truth.
Basically, this is a basic grammatical distinction like the difference between Christ and Christian. Same root, very different meaning.
Just one more person trying to sell books on the back of outrageous statements. Hagee, meet Mr. McClellen...
No, he did claim to be the Messiah at least twice according to the article above. But he wasn’t the Messiah that the Jews were expecting...in fact he was almost the exact opposite of it. The Jews were expecting someone to lead them in an uprising against their Roman masters. What they got was someone telling them to “love their enemies”.
Interestingly, I was flipping channels yesterday morning at home and watched a few minutes of a History Channel show on crucifixion. (Why they put this on at 9 in the morning, I have no idea.) In talking about Jesus’ crucifixion, they stated that the Romans had Jesus arrested—presumably because they considered him a troublemaker and potential rebel—brought him before Pilate, and had him scourged and crucified. Not one mention of the Sanhedrin’s part in what happened, not one mention of Caiphas, not one mention of the Jewish crowd demanding His death. It’s not like I hold modern Jews responsible for Christ’s death—after all, it was all foreordained as part of God’s greater plan—but are we really so politically correct that the part the Jews of Jerusalem played in the death of Christ can’t even be mentioned anymore?
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On the surface everything looks good. On his website at jhm.org, Dr. John Hagee affirms the basics of the Christian faith including the deity of Christ, the Trinity, etc. His beliefs page is not very precise, but it appears to be within orthodoxy.
Ditto.
When I first heard about him and his off the wall comments about Catholics I went to his website and everything appeared copacetic on its face.
But going deeper it sure looks like Hagee has 'issues' and needs to see a Psychiatrist. However the only problem with that is they're all whacked out atheists who need mental help themselves. Plus most shrinks are Jewish so that presents an additional problem to begin with for a Christian Reverend 'with issues' - even if he finds a sane Psychiatrist.
No offense against Jewish Psychiatrists meant.
I believe that religion is being hijacked successfully because of a growing level of poorly educated minds coming from our educational system. The 17th and 18th Century Scots understood quite well that a strong moral backbone of strong faith must be coupled with a strong emphasis on REAL meaningful education was the only way to ensure a true free and civilized society. Indeed,in 1696 Scotland passed an “Act for Setting School” which led the way for Scotland to eventually be one of the most educated populations throughout the most if not all of 18th Century. The result, people could read the Bible for themselves and grasp for themselves what it was about, rather than having clergy interpret it however they wished, As Hagee is doing, in order to effect a certain response from the population.
It is no accident that, as our educational system has declined in effectiveness, liberalism and corrupt religious philosophy has warped our society in so many sickening ways.
Haggee is wrong on so much, nothing that comes out his pie-hole surprises me.
He’s in a different category from Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland, but he’s just as wrong.
Go pick up any book by Hagee or go pop by his website and read his statement of beliefs: "We believe in the deity of Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God. We believe in His substitutionary death for all men, His resurrection, and His eventual return to judge the world."
Obviously, he does believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah, or he wouldn't call Him "Christ." The point he was trying to make in his book--which the heresy-hunting types would realize if they weren't drooling too much at a chance to "expose" someone they happen to disagree with to actually read the passage in context--is that Yeshua did not come in His First Coming to fulfill the role of the Davidic King, but of the Suffering Servant.
I don't always agree with John Hagee, but I have far more respect for his honesty, integrity, and intellect than I do for his detractors right now.
Shalom!
I would point out that during Jesus’s time, there was an expectation that the OT Messiah was going to be a political deliverer from the oppression of Rome. While it can be argued that this was a false expectation of many of the people, it does provide a point of reference for this discussion.
I would also point out that Dr Hagee appears to have taken great pains to identify that Jesus never claimed to be the political deliverer that would meet these worldly expectations.
So I'm of the opinion that perhaps this is much ado about nothing, and I will reserve judgment until I have studied Dr Hagee’s position more carefully.
I am happy that he supports Israel and raises money for Israel, but he twists himself into a pretzel to avoid having to proclaim or acknowledge that Jewish people need the salvation that comes through the repentence of sin, belief in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God. He tosses out essentials of the Christian faith so that he can hobnob with the Israeli PM and ambassador and important rabbis, and get lots of kudos from them. Meanwhile, our and their Savior is nowhere to be found, because His message causes friction and tension. Christian supporters of Israel and the Jewish people should not ignore or downgrade Jesus Christ.
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Certainly, the role of the Sanhedron--in particular, the role of the Sadducees, who deliberately hand-picked a Sanhedron and did not include those that they knew would stand up in Yeshua's defense (cf. Luke 23:51)--should not be glossed over. But neither should the myth that all of Jerusalem called for Yeshua's death be promoted. Pilate's courtyard would hold a few hundred at most, and Scripture is clear that this crowd was, like the court, packed and controlled by Yeshua's enemies among Israel's leadership (Mat. 27:20, Luke 23:1).
Making out the crowd at Yeshua's trial to be representative of "the Jews" as a whole is neither accurate nor fair.
Shalom!
which the heresy-hunting types would realize if they............. actually read the passage in context--is that Yeshua did not come in His First Coming to fulfill the role of the Davidic King, but of the Suffering Servant.
The nuance of the Word has been missed by many.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
Second, Hagee is making the same flawed assumption the Jewish leaders did in Christ's day. His was not a political or military revolution; it was a moral revolution. Apparently, Hagee remains unaffected.
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