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To: HarleyD; fortheDeclaration
No, Mary was conceived naturally, and without divine intervention she indeed would have inherited the original sin from Joachim. This why she, too, called Christ her savior.

Strange that He doesn't do this for all.

God does justify all the elect, not just Mary. As the scripture says, blessed are all who, like her, obey the Word and keep it.

95 posted on 05/29/2008 5:12:58 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; fortheDeclaration
No, Mary was conceived naturally, and without divine intervention she indeed would have inherited the original sin from Joachim.

To me this is an incredible statement completely denying the concept of original sin as developed by the early western fathers. If God could have intervened with one, why does He not do it for all? Why would He have appointed original sin to men, only to selectively remove it from one person throughout history?

There is nothing in the early church fathers writings about God selectively removing sin from Mary. In a quick search, this belief didn't pop up until the eighth century in trying to rise Mary holiness. In fact, it isn't surprising that the basis for this comes from the eastern fathers, not the western fathers. It underminds the true concept of original sin.

God does justify all the elect, not just Mary.

You were arguing earlier that Abraham justified himself three times. Now you are saying God does the justifying. Which is it?

96 posted on 05/29/2008 5:29:34 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: annalex
No, Mary was conceived naturally, and without divine intervention she indeed would have inherited the original sin from Joachim. This why she, too, called Christ her savior.

Did you mean to say 'if' Mary was conceived naturally....?

[ Strange that He doesn't do this for all. ]

God does justify all the elect, not just Mary. As the scripture says, blessed are all who, like her, obey the Word and keep it.

Yes, obey and keep the word which is the Bible, not man's traditions.

100 posted on 05/30/2008 3:48:42 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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