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To: annalex
But the two sides disagree about what the phrase "the righteousness of Christ" means.

First, moral realism demands it. ...Our actions are either right or wrong, good or bad, and they are that way objectively, regardless of how we feel about it. ...So moral realism—to which Protestants are firmly committed—requires us to say that guilt and innocence, righteousness and unrighteousness, are exactly the kind of objectively real properties that Catholics say they are.

Another reason why Protestants need to accept the language of objective guilt and innocence is that the Bible itself uses this kind of language. It often speaks of guilt and innocence in terms of objective properties, such as colors or cleanliness. Scripture speaks of our sins being "crimson like scarlet" (Isaiah 1:18), and the Psalmist says "wash me with hyssop and I shall be whiter than snow." (Psalm 51:7).

...you will recall that Protestants often say that we receive Christ's own personal righteousness when we are justified. This is what they have in mind when they say that when we are justified God treats us just like Christ—that God looks at us and sees Christ instead. Now this is a metaphor that not all Protestants accept. Even Keith Green, the noted anti-Catholic, God rest his soul, rejected it. He recognized that when God looks at us he does not see Christ.

First, if God simply saw us as Christ, if he gave us Christ's own personal righteousness, then we would all be rewarded equally in heaven. We would all be as righteous as Christ and so we would all be rewarded equally.

Finally, there are simply no verses in Scripture which state that we receive Christ's own personal level of righteousness. None!


64 posted on 05/25/2008 1:59:26 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Nice summary...


65 posted on 05/25/2008 4:21:13 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: HarleyD
Our justification rest with Christ-not works that we do after we have been made into believers

Akin explains that being "made into believer" is really a process; see also the preceding thread, linked in the article trailer. Since it is a process, the righteousness of Christ that we receive has degrees. We see it around us, and the scripture makes references to degrees of righteousness, as the author notes, for example, when it describes human life a a process of building in 1 Cor 3. I know you would disagree, but you don't seem to have a scriptural arguemnt here, or do you?

our souls don't grow "dark". ... Rather God will chasten us to bring us back into fellowship with Him.

I think you are arguing with metaphors here. The Catholic view is that whatever metaphor you like, sin and righteousness are objective, real conditions of the soul, rather than judicial fiction. Eph 5:8 does not dispute moral realism.

mistake these verses as applying to "redeemed" man

The author, being Catholic, does not subscribe to the notion that redeemed is a binary condition. This is the whole premise, that redemption is a lifelong process (and in fact it is resumed in Purgatory, as 1 Cor 3 teaches, but that is for some other thread). Botht he white color of righteousness and the red of sin are objective progressively changing conditions of the soul.

I will go outside Protestant doctrine and simply state that rewards will be meaningless in heaven

That is going outside of the scripture also; are you aware of that?

Romans 4:22-25 posted above not withstanding, I would also point to Philippians or Peter

But none say that God sees us exactly as Christ. They simply relate our righteousness obtain through faith to the work of Christ.

the author seems to not understand that our salvation does not rest upon our merits of things that we accomplish after we are saved

Did you read Part V? I think, you illustrated the same "hangup about the word merit" that Akin tries to dispel.

68 posted on 05/25/2008 7:12:09 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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