Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians? [open]

5/16/08 | me

[netmilsmom]

Stemming from this comment

>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<

Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Catechism of the Catholic Faith (#460)

"460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.81"

Wow -- the title of this thread should be: Do Catholics consider Mormons Catholics???

And since this is in the Catechism then all Catholics are required to accept this or they are not Catholics no matter how many sacraments they receive.

More excellent questions to which no answers have been given.

Maybe this is where Joseph Smith got the idea in the first place.

Strange how all heresy is the same. One way or another it all denies the truth of Scripture and invents its own gods which lend themselves to deifying man and groups of men at the expense of the Triune God alone.

Much like believing in a "co-redeemer" or "another Christ."

[1000 silverlings]

In the end it’s just worshiping the self, the men who will become gods.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

In the end it's just worshiping the self, the men who will become gods.

Yep. It sure is difficult to pry our eyes off ourselves and focus them on God alone.

A daily struggle, made more difficult when the church you belong to encourages the worship of the creature and the creation (elevation of Mary as "co-redeemer" and the alchemy of the error of transubstantiation being two prime examples of this ungodly, anti-Scriptural misstep.)

[HarleyD]

Personally, I don't believe it matters two hoots whether I believe Catholics to be Christians. I find Christianity to be an introspective religion. What's important is that you know you have a right relationship with God through His Son; just as I must know that I have a right relationship to God. We can't "feel" that we have a right relationship to God. We must examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. You can ONLY do this through His word-nothing else. We rest and trust on His promises. It doesn't matter if I believe you're a Christian or not. It is your responsibility.

Christians ARE suppose to judge others only to the extent that they appear to be walking in fellowship. What you see here are discussions as to the proper way to walk in fellowship measured against some sort of standard. Protestants believe Catholics are using the wrong measurement standard. We can, and are suppose to, question a person's walk but we cannot judge a person's relationship to God. God knows the heart-not us.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Perhaps the problem is with the site. The correct link to the Vatican.va site is preferable to the other, when quoting the Vatican.

If you'll notice, the link I actually used was from the Vatican.va. waaay back in POST #387.

However, that still does not explain why anyone would believe that we are to be made into gods, as the RCC catechism clearly states, using whatever site you choose.

Catholicism is a religion rich in context and history.

LOL. Oh, I have no doubt.

Thankfully, by the grace of God alone, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is beautiful in its simplicity...

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

[Uri’el-2012]

My link was to the Vatican.va, directly from the Vatican, as anyone can see from my post. Hit the link, which I kindly furnished, and you will be wisked away to Vaticanland.

I went back to review and it was vatican.va

and yes it was astounding to see
the anti-scriptural notions being
taught by the vatican !

b'SHEM Yah'shua

[Uncle Chip]

Well is this statement from the Catechism official Catholic doctrine or not:

"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."

The Mormons teach a very similar doctrine.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Christians ARE suppose to judge others only to the extent that they appear to be walking in fellowship. What you see here are discussions as to the proper way to walk in fellowship measured against some sort of standard. Protestants believe Catholics are using the wrong measurement standard. We can, and are suppose to, question a person's walk but we cannot judge a person's relationship to God. God knows the heart-not us.

Thank you, Harley. Beautifully and faithfully written.

[wagglebee]

Christians ARE suppose to judge others only to the extent that they appear to be walking in fellowship. What you see here are discussions as to the proper way to walk in fellowship measured against some sort of standard. Protestants believe Catholics are using the wrong measurement standard. We can, and are suppose to, question a person's walk but we cannot judge a person's relationship to God. God knows the heart-not us.

Do you acknowledge that Catholics believe that Protestants are using the wrong standard? (Though I can't recall EVER seeing a thread titled, "Do Catholics consider Protestants to be Christians?")

[Petronski]

However, that still does not explain why anyone would believe that we are to be made into gods, as the RCC catechism clearly states, using whatever site you choose.

The theological basis of Theosis has been explained twice on this thread, with links.

Choose to ignore it or read it. Pretending it is not there is silly.

[Petronski]

The Mormons teach a very similar doctrine.

Theosis is quite different from the Mormon teaching. Conflating them is intellectual fraud.

[firebrand]

Well, I wasn't talking about that kind of dysfunction.

[Petronski]

...elevation of Mary as "co-redeemer"...

Not part of Catholic Doctrine.

...and the alchemy of the error of transubstantiation...

The only error of Transubstantiation is committed by those who reject it, making Christ a liar, refusing His Gift and ignoring His instruction.

[Uncle Chip]

Conflating them is intellectual fraud.

Then make sure to excuse yourself when you do it.

[Petronski]

More excellent questions to which no answers have been given.

There was only one question, and it was too ludicrous to actually be answered. I'll answer it now: No.

Much like believing in a "co-redeemer" or "another Christ."

Only one of those is an actual Catholic teaching; neither mean what they have been falsely portrayed to mean, on this and many other threads, by those who wish to tell endless lies about Catholics and Catholicism.

[Petronski]

Then make sure to excuse yourself when you do it.

Such a childish playground response. I am not conflating them, I am protesting efforts to conflate them...a vicious smear by those who hate Catholicism and Catholics.

[Petronski]

We can, and are suppose to, question a person's walk but we cannot judge a person's relationship to God.

Read those words and heed them well.

[Uncle Chip]

Do you accept this statement from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."

[firebrand]

Someone once said, “I’m not worried that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in my philosophy. I worry that there are more things in my philosophy than are dreamt of in heaven and earth.”

[netmilsmom]

>>You still have no answer for why you were shocked to read those words straight from the RCC catechism. <<

1. You are saying I was shocked, I said it was a lie. (no numbers means no Vatican.va, reading minds against forum rules)

>>My link was to the Vatican.va, directly from the Vatican<<
2. Original post was doctored with no link

3. Accused me of looking for Anti-Catholic site when I posted the Google string I used (reading my mind and again against the rules)

4. You continually quoted Vatican.org. False site owned by Canadian.

You can spin this anyway you like it, but I’m so used to watching the alphabet networks that it’s easily seen for what it is, doctored document to spin.

I am constantly amazed that any FReeper thinks s/he can get away with doctoring documents to spin them. Dan Rather and Mary Mapes would be proud.