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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Redeemer” does not equal “co-redeemer.” Catholicism doctrine does not teach “co-redeemer” status of anything.

Catholics dispute the deification of Mary in Catholicism because there IS NO deification of Mary in Catholicism.

As I said, your question has nothing to do with Catholicism.


459 posted on 05/15/2008 6:03:47 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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Redeemer does not equal co-redeemer.

So a redeemer is a deity but a co-redeemer is not a deity?

Catholicism doctrine does not teach “co-redeemer” status of anything.

Is pope John Paul II a Catholic? Did he speak out of turn or against the RCC catechism?

In 1985, in Guayaquil, Ecuador, JPII said: "Mary goes before us and accompanies us. The silent journey that begins with her Immaculate Conception and passes through the ‘yes’ of Nazareth, which makes her the Mother of God, finds on Calvary a particularly important moment. … In fact, at Calvary she united herself with the sacrifice of her Son that led to the foundation of the Church; her maternal heart shared to the very depths the will of Christ ‘to gather into one all the dispersed children of God’ (Jn. 11:52). Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity. … In fact Mary’s role as Coredemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son" (Inside the Vatican, July 1997).

In his general audience address of April 9, 1997, JPII said: "Mary … co-operated during the event itself [the crucifixion] and in the role of mother; thus her co-operation embraces the whole of Christ’s saving work. SHE ALONE WAS ASSOCIATED IN THIS WAY WITH THE REDEMPTIVE SACRIFICE THAT MERITED THE SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND. IN UNION WITH CHRIST AND IN SUBMISSION TO HIM, SHE COLLABORATED IN OBTAINING THE GRACE OF SALVATION FOR ALL HUMANITY. … In God’s plan, Mary is the ‘woman’ (cf. Jn 2:4; 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity. Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, LET US TURN TO MARY, IMPLORING HER HELP IN ALL OUR NEEDS" (Vatican Information Service).

In his general audience for July 30, JPII said: "As the Mother of all the Lord’s disciples (cf. Jn 19:26), MARY OFFERS HER INTERCESSION AND AID TO ALL WHO JOURNEY TOWARDS THE FULLNESS OF THE LORD’S KINGDOM. As the Bride and Temple of the Holy Spirit, she encourages us to imitate her openness to the workings of the Spirit and to live in constant, loving communion with the Blessed Trinity."

There's just soooooo much wrong here it's difficult to know what to point to first. God forgive those who turn men away from Christ towards the creature, no matter how blessed that creature was or is.

469 posted on 05/15/2008 6:15:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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