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To: Petronski; OLD REGGIE; Quix; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; xzins; P-Marlowe; 1000 silverlings; ...
Redeemer does not equal co-redeemer.

So a redeemer is a deity but a co-redeemer is not a deity?

Catholicism doctrine does not teach “co-redeemer” status of anything.

Is pope John Paul II a Catholic? Did he speak out of turn or against the RCC catechism?

In 1985, in Guayaquil, Ecuador, JPII said: "Mary goes before us and accompanies us. The silent journey that begins with her Immaculate Conception and passes through the ‘yes’ of Nazareth, which makes her the Mother of God, finds on Calvary a particularly important moment. … In fact, at Calvary she united herself with the sacrifice of her Son that led to the foundation of the Church; her maternal heart shared to the very depths the will of Christ ‘to gather into one all the dispersed children of God’ (Jn. 11:52). Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity. … In fact Mary’s role as Coredemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son" (Inside the Vatican, July 1997).

In his general audience address of April 9, 1997, JPII said: "Mary … co-operated during the event itself [the crucifixion] and in the role of mother; thus her co-operation embraces the whole of Christ’s saving work. SHE ALONE WAS ASSOCIATED IN THIS WAY WITH THE REDEMPTIVE SACRIFICE THAT MERITED THE SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND. IN UNION WITH CHRIST AND IN SUBMISSION TO HIM, SHE COLLABORATED IN OBTAINING THE GRACE OF SALVATION FOR ALL HUMANITY. … In God’s plan, Mary is the ‘woman’ (cf. Jn 2:4; 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity. Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, LET US TURN TO MARY, IMPLORING HER HELP IN ALL OUR NEEDS" (Vatican Information Service).

In his general audience for July 30, JPII said: "As the Mother of all the Lord’s disciples (cf. Jn 19:26), MARY OFFERS HER INTERCESSION AND AID TO ALL WHO JOURNEY TOWARDS THE FULLNESS OF THE LORD’S KINGDOM. As the Bride and Temple of the Holy Spirit, she encourages us to imitate her openness to the workings of the Spirit and to live in constant, loving communion with the Blessed Trinity."

There's just soooooo much wrong here it's difficult to know what to point to first. God forgive those who turn men away from Christ towards the creature, no matter how blessed that creature was or is.

469 posted on 05/15/2008 6:15:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

A Google search of the phrase “Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity. … In fact Mary’s role as Coredemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son” (Inside the Vatican, July 1997). “

http://www.google.com/search?q=Having+suffered+for+the+Church%2C+Mary+deserved+to+become+the+Mother+of+all+the+disciples+of+her+Son%2C+the+Mother+of+their+unity.+%E2%80%A6+In+fact+Mary%E2%80%99s+role+as+Coredemptrix+did+not+cease+with+the+glorification+of+her+Son%22+%28Inside+the+Vatican%2C+July+1997%29.+&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

Revels nothing but hate sites. Give us a link to that “Inside the Vatican 1997” and let us read what is removed and (...) put in.


474 posted on 05/15/2008 6:21:43 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
So a redeemer is a deity but a co-redeemer is not a deity?

Do not assume the "co" in "co-redeemer" means "equal to." It does not. The "co" is the Latin word "cum," meaning "with." I have personally explained this to you before.

Pope Benedict speaks very favorable of Mozart, yet love of Mozart is not an official teaching of Catholicism.

Similarly, John Paul the Great's words are not doctrine, nor did his speaking of them make them doctrine. They are not a teaching of the Catholic Church. If they were, they would be in the Catechism.

475 posted on 05/15/2008 6:22:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thats enough to make your head spin!

Yikes!


491 posted on 05/15/2008 6:34:33 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well, it’s here for all to read. But of course, it’s just a false rendition of what he really said (LOL). Sad.


801 posted on 05/16/2008 9:49:46 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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