Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
The problem you have there is that zealots like this, unless officially rebuked, become part of the Tradition of the RCC. Much of what you believe today about Mary entered the mainstream of the RCC through those who were Marian Zealots of the past.
Just some American historical perspective on the word “Papists” and the anti-Catholic conspiracists.
The largest group of users of the word “Papist” as a derogitory comment was and still is the KKK (i.e. Klu Klux Klan).
“The early United States was colonized by religious zealots of various English religious Christian groups and not Catholics, so in comparative terms Catholicism was a relative new comer to the American shores.
With the rise of the Irish immigration came a great wave of Catholic believers and it must be remembered that at one time the Irish were looked down upon by the existing Americans as being less of value than the Afro-Americans.
So excluding all of the theological differences that existed between the Methodists, the Baptists (Southern and other various sects), the Lutherans, and the various Pentecostal and Reformed Christian sects, the primary reason was that all Catholics were suspect because as a religious methodology they held avowed allegiance to the Pope in Rome.
The KKK being primarily made up of Baptists and Lutherans merely carried their existing prejudices against the Catholics (and the Irish) into their organization with them and made it part and parcel of their system.”
As to the article itself, you will note that nowhere, contrary to its title, is there a statement by a Catholic that he worships Mary. For Catholics the act of worship is the holy sacrifice of the Mass. If you were to study the Mass you would find that it is addressed to the Father. Even in Masses on feasts of Mary the prayers are all addressed to God, not Mary. As an example, here is the Opening Prayer of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception:
FATHER, you prepared the Virgin Mary to be the worthy mother of your Son. You let her share beforehand in the salvation Christ would bring by his death, and kept her sinless form the first moment of her conception. Help us by her prayers to live in your presence without sin. We ask this THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, YOUR SON, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever.Not a single word addressed to Mary. (Please do not quote other prayers from outside the Mass that are addressed to Mary, these are not acts of worship; only the Mass is.) Time and again the distinctions between latria (worship) and dulia (veneration) have been explained to you. There are enough real disputes between Catholics and Protestants that you do not need to invent false ones. In Catholic Bibles "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" is listed as one of the Commandments. Is it in yours?
Seems like more than a hobby. Way more.
>> St Barth’s Massacre itself was estimated by many at one hundred thousand. <<
1. Contemporaneous, protestant sources, such as “the Martyrologe de La Huegenots” estimate the death toll to be in the mere hundreds. What you are actually reporting is how certain Protestants will invent any fiction they can to sew hatred and paranoia. Thank God those Protestants are non-representative.
2. Although initially Rome responded with joy after hearing of a Protestant rebellion being soundly defeated, when the truth of St. Barth’s (sic) became known, the Pope was quick and fierce in his denunciation, refusing to meet French representatives, and calling the chief among them, “an assassin.”
Why do you post this anti- Catholic screed? You will not change the mind of a single faithful Catholic. It is merely an incitement to ruffle feathers. What do you care what we believe? Don’t pretend you are trying to ‘speak the truth in love.’ There is nothing loving about your posts. Try speaking the truth to Moslems about Mohammed’s pedophiliac, murderous ways. If you dare. The Blessed Mother never hurt anyone. ‘Hail, full of grace.’ That’s from Scripture. Concentrate on what unites, not what divides, the followers of Christ and let God sort out the rest.
Don’t concede arguments because you don’t know better. Even the oldest Protestant polemics put the death toll in mere hundreds (La Martyrologe des Hugenots)
>> No results found for “Mary is also in the Eucharist”. <<
Google could only find the words Mary and Eucharist and also, but not together.
Click here for guidelines.
And where is that in the Bible??? To the contrary, the Apostle Paul wrote to the church at Rome:
"But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound." [Romans 5:20]
Therefore Mary had to have abounding sin before she could have received abounding grace.
Right???
They are on a whaling ship, Pequod.
Excellent post and spot on.
>> Just curious — Have you ever heard or read anything from a Catholic prelate or other official source stating that Mary is also in the Eucharist???? <<
Absolutely never. That sounds like a comically silly misunderstanding of “the communion of the saints.”
Seems that very little has changed in over a century.
In fact, I was stunned to realize that "Mary as co-redeemer" is not a recent fiction, but has been around quite awhile, as the article states.
Great find !
baruch HaShem Yah'shua
I believe in life after death. I just don't believe that past saints are omnipresent or omniscient. (I don't know that with certainty, but I would be surprised if they are.) Thus they can't hear you pray to them. And even if they happened to be present, they don't know your thoughts if you pray silently.
Thus, given my belief about the afterlife, it would require God's intervention and passing the prayer on, for the past saint to even know that you prayed to them.
Not the First Century ! ;-)
baruch HaShem Yah'shua
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