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Thanks for posting that entire address. I hope all read it.

Yes, prophets are infallible. Were they men? Yes. But doctrine of the church is not in error, so no, that is not possible. God allows men their free agency, but he doesn’t let them lead the church astray. See the post you are referencing to about the Lord intervening in ancient times to make sure his servants didn’t do just that.

Cheers.

Off to work, have a great day Color.

None of the men you listed would have entertained for a second evn a thought similar to this SERMON given in PUBLIC by JOSPEH SMITH, where he was LYING to cover up his "Polygamy" affair with a married woman !!

"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go."-Joseph Smith (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)

Which leads me to repost one of my favorite lines.

Mormons claim that all other churches are lead by men who speak as men, but theirs is lead by “Prophets” (who speak as men)

The only difference seven, is the title. I can go stand out in my garage and call myself a car, but it doesn’t make me a car.

You too have a nice day. It is a glorious day in Utah.

But doctrine of the church is not in error, so no, that is not possible. God allows men their free agency, but he doesn’t let them lead the church astray.

Seven, your "ecumenicalism" has advanced light years overnight. Here's we've been saying all along that God would not let the mainstream doctrine of the church fall into overwhelming error...nor would God allow the church to be led astray.

And you've come right out and confirmed our stance. (Thank you!)

Oh...I just realized...you were talking about the post 1830-OH-MO-IL-now Utah-based "church" and I was talking about both the pre-1830 and post-1830 universal church.

So explain it to us all again how it is that it's impossible (your words "not possible") for a Mormon leader to allow doctrinal error into the church, but when it came to the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant church bodies, well, they were rife with error per Mormonism?

Then please further explain to us all again how it is that God suddenly got a backbone in the 19th century and to use your words, "doesn't let them lead the church astray," these past 175 years...
...but for the previous 1,500 years it was a "piece of cake" for God to not only allow leaders to have led the church astray, but he allowed the entire church to be carted off & hauled away by the forces of darkness...who apparently decided to take the church on a longggggg vacation while God busied himself with other hollowed worlds.

ALL: This is what we call a cultwashing "disconnect"--where all logic applied to the exact same situation undergoes a temp braindrain.

But doctrine of the church is not in error, so no, that is not possible. God allows men their free agency, but he doesn’t let them lead the church astray.

Wait just a minute....I thought one of the mormons very cornerstones was that there was this great need for a RESTORED church...thus J. Smith's vision. Thus the BOM, thus all the bashing done by him and B. Young of Christian churches....

But you just said above that God would never lead the church astray. Why then would He need a restored anything?

Very curious and very sad there SB........