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To: joebuck
I was talking with someone yesterday who was saying that most Isrealis are something called Ashkanazi (sp?) jews, or something like that, and he said they are not real Hebrews because they are from Europe. I’d never heard of what he was talking about and didn’t really take him seriously. Anyone know what he was talking about or was it just a hater making stuff up?

That's pure unadulterated hooey. 'Ashkenaz is the old Hebrew name of Germany and 'Ashkenazim simply means "German Jews." It refers to Jews of northern, central, and eastern Europe (those with German or slavic surnames and who speak Yiddish). Furthermore, 'Ashkenazi Hebrew and the 'Ashkenazi ritual come from 'Eretz Yisra'el while those of the allegedly "purer" Sefaradim (which simply means "Spanish Jews") comes from 'Eretz Bavel (Babylon). Sefardi Hebrew is also more influenced by the Mishnah and by Aramaic than 'Ashkenazi Hebrew.

Sefaradim (and Temanim, the Yemenite Jews) have a reputation as more "authentic" because they have lived so long in the Middle East, yet they are the historical liberals of Judaism (prior to the European "enlightenment"). Moreover whatever "Khazars" or "Sabbatians" there are are more likely to be found among Levantine Sefaradim than among European 'Ashkenazim.

Unfortunately, it is among 'Ashkenazim of the past two hundred plus years that all the leftist "reform" movements have taken hold and this has distorted their image and made Sefaradim seem more conservative.

This is the truth. But most people who spout the "'Ashkenazim aren't real Jews" line simply want to believe this and cannot be persuaded otherwise. Most ironic since the Babylonian Talmud, the bete noire of so many anti-Semites, was written by the ancestors of the Sefaradim (the ancestors of the 'Ashkenazim wrote the Jerusalem Talmud!).

34 posted on 05/13/2008 7:40:01 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Uqera'tem deror ba'aretz lekhol-yosheveyha . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Moreover whatever "Khazars" or "Sabbatians" there are are more likely to be found among Levantine Sefaradim than among European 'Ashkenazim.
Um, no. Get a map.
Actually, the only group likely to be Khazars are the few remaining Crimean Karaylar (Karaite Tatars) and all-but extinct Kyrmchaks (Rabbinate Tatars).
I suppose that some could have remained in the area as it went from Mongol/Tatar domination to Ottoman suzerainty and then travelled withing the Ottoman Empire. But there is no evidence of this. On the other hand names like Qaplan (tiger) and and, God help us, Kaganovich (son of the Khagan), are Ashkenazi.

Some Sabbateans became Turks after the converted to Islam. Some crypto-Sabbateans became "Donme", but they have nothing to do with Khazars.

"This is the truth. But most people who spout the "'Ashkenazim aren't real Jews" line simply want to believe this and cannot be persuaded otherwise. "
Entirely try. Kevin Brooks refuted the argument before the genetic information was in, but antisemites have the gall to cite his book as a source, while ignoring its content.

36 posted on 05/14/2008 10:17:30 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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