I’ve read it. Your disguising yourself as a Mormon isn’t working. Your posting history is too rich for that.
The Adam God theory debunked:
http://en.fairmormon.org/Adam-God
Where did I do that?
I think I made it very clear that after I read this powerful sermon by Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, I was no longer a Mormon.
I think I posted that thought at least twice.
This will make it the third time.
BTW, it seems you are the first follower of Brigham Young to actually post here.
The Adam God theory debunked:
Debunking your own prophet?
Anyway, thank you for your post.
We appreciate your input. It seems you are the first follower of Brigham Young to actually post here.
[The Adam God theory debunked:
http://en.fairmormon.org/Adam-God]
Now that is a hoot. We are supposed to accept the papering over of the issue by the “fairmormon” site as definitive gospel, yet the Tanner site is claimed to be full of lies and blasphemy. By the way, your citation doesn’t wish away the fact Brigham Young taught Adam God, it just postulates he goofed. But if he goofed on that fundamental level, and he was a prophet, why should anyone give the “fairmormon” site the time of day when its views are heavily informed by Brigham Young?
What I find fascinating about a man that contemporary Mormons see as the perfect person to name its most prominent university after, is that Young's "Adam God" sermons happened from the pulpit from 1852 (what P-Marlowe posted here) all the way up to at least June 8, 1873...a span of 21 years!!!
Now, pray tell, anyone want to tell us why 20 years of pulpit sermons by OBAMA's Rev. Wright are worth reviewing and openly criticizing but why Brigham Young's 21 years of pulpit sermons are rarely condemned & denounced? (usually they are only downplayed, shunned or "N/A"-ed...Not Applicable...by LDS).
And just look at the pregnant "richness" of these Young sermons. (I think Rev. Wright and Rev. Young's sermons are BOTH fair game for open review)...starting with two excerpts that P-Marlowe posted that need a careful examination:
When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken-He is our FATHER andour GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later.
(Well, OK...do all you "professing Christians...hear...and...know it...later?" is indeed Adam your "God and the only God with whom WE have to do?"
When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle, it was begotten by his Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve...
Did you all hear that? Brigham Young said that Jesus Christ was NOT begotten by the Holy Ghost, but rather by the Father. (In another sermon, Young said, "Now remember from this time forth an for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost...")
Joseph Fielding Smith, a later "prophet" of the LDS Church, echoed Young on this: "Christ not begotten of Holy Ghost...He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).
Now was Brigham's 1852 sermon about Adam-as-the-only-God-with-whom-we-have-to-do just a trial balloon that was quickly shot down by the 'Saints?' (Nope)
Five years later (1857), Young was at it again...albeit he mentioned this time that his previous pronouncements on this subject didn't sit well with a lot of saints. Young said: Some have grumbled because I believe our God to be so near to us as Father Adam. There are many who know that doctrine to be true...Now, if it should happen that we have to pay tribute to Father Adam, what a humilitating circumstance it would be. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 331)
And then again, Brigham "preached" it in 1859: Adam and Eve are the parents of all pertaining to the flesh, and I would not say that they are not also the parents of our spirits. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 290)
Hmmm...1859...and Young is now preaching "double negatives" about whether Adam & Eve are "the parents of our spirits." Hmmm...boy, isn't that a strong "I know who the gods are" statement to run in and run out with a quick set up of "I would not say that THEY are not..., eh, P-Marlowe?
And our last stop on the Brigham Young Adam-God tour is June 8, 1873, where according to the Mormon-owned Deseret News, with journalist David W. Evans reporting, it sounds to me like some saints believed Brigham and to their credit, others dismissed his Adam-god fairy tale. But, note, as he was creeping closer to his death...and 27 years after being named the "prophet" he was still stubborn:
How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular DOCTRINE which I revealed to them, AND WHICH GOD REVEALED TO ME--NAMELY THAT ADAM IS OUR FATHER AND GOD...
Now why did Adam come to this earth, Young asked & then answered his own question: ...Father Adam came here and helped to make the earth...he, with the help of his brethren, brought it into existence. Then he said, 'I want my children who are in the spirit world to come and live here. I once dwelt upon an earth something like this, in a mortal state, I was faithful, I received my crown and exaltation. I have the privilege of extending my work, and to its increas there will be no end. I want my children that were born to me in the spirit world to come here and take tabernacles of men... (David W. Evans, "Discourse by President Brigham Young delivered in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Sunday afternoon, June 8, 1873, published in the Deseret News, June 18, 1873).
THEORY???
The very WORDS from an ex-Living Prophet®s mouth is THEORY??
How can you come to that conclusion...?
When P-Marlowe clearly at least twice stated in later posts that reading the B. Young sermon was a watershed moment for her/him, and concluded that they could no longer be a mormon.