If you do truly honor and accept Enoch then how can you deny his revelations on the lake of fire, sheol beneath earth, the Son of Man as the alter ego/another same self, of the Great Glory who was hidden in God from the beginning and who was to come, and in whose name the righteous would be saved, and in whom the redeemed would be united with the Father, in the regeneration, when heaven and earth are united by the Son, who delivers it all over to the Father for His Glory to fill?
How can you explain that by Enoch’s revelation there is no marraige in heaven, no procreation, no sexual union, and that those ben elohim who left their first habitation in heaven -their first estate- to take wives of bath Adam, on earth, are in chains beneath earth, for that fornication, as a warning to other ben elohim [pr Jude] to not do that?
When Jesus told the Sadducees that they erred, on marraige in heaven [with sexual union being the point], because they did not know the Scriptures nor the power of God, Jesus was referring to the revelation from Enoch on that subject, as “Scripture”. That is the place it is written, and that is what Jesus called the “Scriptures on the subject. So how can you then deny the revelation from Enoch that in heaven they neither marry, give in marraige, and do not have sexual union, as Adam was made to do, on earth, until his glorification, and that Adam was made male and female, in the beginning, two persons in one being, and made so for the purpose of procreating the Adam being as sons of God [human kind] for the Father’s Glory to indwell, as His human being temple, until the earth was filled with the sons God sought by Adam’s multiplying on earth?.
Simple: He was NOT speaking as a PROPHET when he said THOSE things!
Why don't you GENTILES learn how to PARSE pseudo-scripture correctly?
--MormonDude(I understand it!)
I'm interested though, how you reconcile Enoch’s plain and direct teaching of the preexistence of man with that of orthodox Christianity? Mormons are almost alone in that belief.
Here are some examples.
..... And every thing found in the world has been before and has passed before him and has been organized before him ...AII the creations Of the World have existed in each generation before they came to this world .All the souls of the children of men have been before they came down to the world formed before him in Heaven in the very likeness that they have in this world ...For all souls are prepared to eternity before the formation of the world.
And the Angel said to Enoch sit down and write All of the spirits of men and those who have not yet been born yet, the places which have been prepared for them . All things were prepared since before the foundation of the world” 2 Enoch 9:
“Enoch answered the people saying hear my children ,before anything was and before the whole creation took place, the Lord established the age of creation; and after that he made all of the creation both visible and invisible and after that he created man in his own image. He gave him eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to think with and a mind to council. I swear to you my children that before man was in the womb of his mother we were prepared, each individual and a place for each spirit that each should sojourn here in his proper time, that man might be tested in the balance ...” 2 Enoch 17:
” Enoch went to the Lord who taught him all about creation and his works... He saw matter unorganized before the creation...the council in heaven... He saw Satan aspire and get cast out to become the foundation of lower things, beyond which there ii great darkness and nothing”
2 Enoch 11:
” Then the angel Braboil said: Sit down and write all the spirits of men, all those who have not been born yet, and the places which have been prepared for them. All these things were prepared since before the foundation of the world. And I wrote down all the affairs of men. Secrets of Enoch 10: (Vaillant)
Further, and interesting little tidbit I came across recently....
Ancient Book of Enoch text quoted in Book of Mormon.
(From the Collected Works of Hugh Nibley, Vol.2, Ch.1, Pg.8)
A quotation from an Enoch text occurs in the thirteenth chapter of Helaman. “Ye have trusted in your riches,” Enoch tells the people. “Ye have not remembered the Lord in the day he gave you your riches.” (Cf. Helaman 13:33.) This is also Samuel the Lamanite speaking, an expert in the scriptures; he knew all about these things. He had access to the plates of brass and other records. And here Enoch speaks in a writing not discovered until 1888: “Ye have not remembered the Lord in the days he gave you your riches; ye have gone astray that your riches shall not remain, because you have done evil in everything. Cursed are you and cursed are your riches.”
NOTE: Nibley’s citation, above, raises three interesting issues:
1. The text discovery took place in 1888. The Book of Mormon provides the citation in 1830. If the author of the Book of Mormon was not an ancient historian, how did know this?
2. The Book of Mormon has been criticized for using New Testament language before New Testament times. But the New Testament abounds with quotations from Enoch and other ancient writers. When the New Testament and the Book of Mormon both quote (without attribution, in the ancient style) from lost, ancient writings, it's going to look like the Book of Mormon is (to quote mark Twain) “smouched from the New Testament, and no credit given.”
3. I claimed earlier that it can be proven that the Book of Mormon repeatedly flies in the face of the best knowledge and belief of the 1800s, only to be proven exactly right by subsequent discoveries. This is a prime example. No one would be so stupid in an 1800’s forgery as to expect a Bible-reading public not to recognize Bible phrases. But the ancient author of the Book of Mormon blythly cites his ancient sources (as Enoch, above) without attribution, thus ignorantly putting Joseph Smith's reputation in jeopardy.