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To: Bosco
I liken it to an aircraft making a trans-oceanic flight, and at a certain point during the trip the navigator makes an error - perhaps a half a degree - in the plane's course. The longer the plane is in the air the further off course it becomes. The problem isn't the map.

That is the best and most coherent analogy I've ever seen posted by someone opposing the Church on this board. I completely disagree, but it's a good one!

Read Hebrews and then tell me that there is a need for a propitiatory sacrifice and a priesthood to make the sacrifice. The whole point of the letter was to tell the Hebrew Christians, who were still offering propitiatory sacrifices through priests at the Temple that they didn't need to do that any longer. Christ is the ultimate and final Priest and sacrifice. They were free from further sacrifices because His work is done - so done that "He sat down at the right hand of God". (Heb 10:12)

We completely agree that Christ completed the sacrifice, for time eternal. However, I'm curious how you reconcile the teachings regarding the Eucharist that existed for 1500 years in both the Catholic and the Orthodox Churches? Were these Churches in error regarding the Eucharist the entire time? If yes, how do you reconcile that with Christ's promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church?

59 posted on 05/03/2008 8:49:06 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
Thanks for the compliment on the analogy. The analogy applies to any other church as well - because the map is accurate.

We completely agree that Christ completed the sacrifice, for time eternal. However, I'm curious how you reconcile the teachings regarding the Eucharist that existed for 1500 years in both the Catholic and the Orthodox Churches? Were these Churches in error regarding the Eucharist the entire time? If yes, how do you reconcile that with Christ's promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church?

No, they weren't all in error regarding the eucharist the entire time. I have a quote from Eusebius of Caesarea (263 - 340 A.D.) that it's a memorial and commemoration if you'd like to see it.

But if a church (any church) teaches that there still needs to be a propitiatory sacrifice, the letter to the Hebrews says that's not the case.

68 posted on 05/03/2008 9:27:05 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: thefrankbaum

His church is the body of Christ, not the RCC. Youse guys got it all wrong...


357 posted on 05/04/2008 7:15:21 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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