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What old-guard feminists get wrong about Catholics
Dallas News ^
| April 27, 2008
| Kathryn Jean Lopez
Posted on 04/28/2008 6:33:10 AM PDT by NYer
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To: notaliberal
She needs to become an Episcopalian. They’re much more “open minded.”
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posted on
04/28/2008 9:59:53 AM PDT
by
gogeo
(Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
To: workerbee
Did we allow women to participate because of a shortage, or because most of us realized denying them participation was wrong?
To: TraditionalistMommy
Im happy in my parish for the moment, and still have hope for my Church, a seriously flawed entity (surely we can all agree on that one), but one full of many good people. . . . one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church . . .
Benedict XVI in "Introduction to Christianity" explains this as a Holy Church of sinful people not a sinful church of Holy people. I highly recommend this book.
To: TraditionalistMommy
I bet Reverend Wright doesn’t have trouble attracting men to HIS church.
84
posted on
04/28/2008 10:03:59 AM PDT
by
ichabod1
(I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
To: ArrogantBustard
My list was intended to be suggestive, not exhaustive. I know...I was just kidding and looking for a cheap plug for my parish.
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:04:03 AM PDT
by
pgkdan
(Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
To: sitetest; ArrogantBustard; Pyro7480
My parish is also quite “orthodox” with the younger priests being even more so. Daily confession, ad orientem Masses, chant, etc.
If people want a blueprint for female ordination, they can always look to the Episcopal church and how well that’s fairing.
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:04:42 AM PDT
by
jjm2111
(Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
To: TraditionalistMommy
Christ’s role as head of the Church and bridegroom are fundamentally male, for whatever reason in the mystery of God. The fatherhood of the clergy has a deeply symbolic relation to the maternal function of the Church. In one sense, Christ leads the Church; in another sense, Christ comes to wed the Church. The dynamic is this: Christ the head, caring for his Church; Christ the groom, married to his bride, the Church.
To: SAMS
There is also a shortage of nuns.... Be sure to tell the Missionaries of Charity. And the Sisters of Life. And the Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist. And the Dominican Sisters of St. Cecelia. And the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal. I'm sure they'd be interested to know that.
Funny thing: orthodox, traditional orders grow. "Relevant" orders that follow the ways of the world die.
To the extent that there is a shortage of priests, nuns, and brothers, it is manufactured by folks who deliberately abandoned orthodoxy for "relevance".
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:07:45 AM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: TraditionalistMommy
I asked a question earlier, but no one responded. Why do Catholics ignore the Corinthians verse prescribing that women keep silent in the churches? Why have we taken such liberties with that, and do you believe its right that we do? Among all the other changes wrought in the name of the 'Spirit' of Vatican II came women lectors and LEM's. This was a great mistake in my mind and one that is not too late to change. It will take several generations but it can and should be done.
I believe that women should keep silent and should cover their heads.
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:09:58 AM PDT
by
pgkdan
(Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
To: gogeo
Hey, I just might be tempted if the majority of Catholics I knew were like the few participating in this thread. Fortunately, the majority of American Catholics, period, are in favor of ordaining women priests. :)
“American Catholics continue to be open to new ideas for parish leadership. 61% of respondents agreed that the Catholic Church should allow women to serve as priests. Generational differences are apparent, as less than half (47%) of those born in 1940 or earlier approve the idea, while two-thirds (66%) of those born after 1960 endorse female ordination.”
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1475
To: pgkdan
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:11:28 AM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: pgkdan
Seriously? A la fundamentalist Islam?
To: TraditionalistMommy; Pyro7480
Here's my 2¢ -- the Church moves slowly, carefully. I don't think we're ready for women priests -- remember that you may be ok with it in the West, but the Church exists in Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, East Asia etc and the Church is globally spread.
It is moving slowly -- women are encouraged to participate more in the Church as sacristans, deacons, alter-servers etc. And you can't convince me that nuns ain't as tough as priests and definitely in many cases as or more important!! Maybe in the next century or after that we could have female priests, but it would be after a lot of thought and care.
The Anglican Church went head-long into change and it snow-balled, first they allowed female priests, then they allowed abortions, then practising gaybishops. And when Genie Richards was made bish, Christian homes in Nigeria and elsewhere were burnt.
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:11:51 AM PDT
by
Cronos
("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
To: TraditionalistMommy
"There is simply no good reason women should not be eligible for the priesthood. I am Catholic, and most of the Catholics I know agree with me, but also agree that the Church is so behind on this issue, were not likely to see a remedy in our lifetimes." Sure there is---Christ didn't choose any women as Apostles (disciples, yes, but not Apostles). Nor did the Apostles ever choose any women to be bishops. And based on those facts the Church has made an infallible judgment that women cannot be priests---so fuggedaboutit.
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:12:24 AM PDT
by
Wonder Warthog
(The Hog of Steel-NRA)
To: Cronos
I don't think we're ready for women priests It's not a matter of whether we're "ready" ... It's a matter of whether it's "right".
It's not. Wrong should never be done, even if a majority are "ready" for it.
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:14:03 AM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: TraditionalistMommy
You’re not old enough to remember women wearing a veil?
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:14:45 AM PDT
by
pgkdan
(Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
To: TraditionalistMommy
"I know far more women who encourage (drag?) their husbands and children to Mass every week than men." Because the men do not want to go to feminized Masses: wimpy sermons, happy clappy 60's kumbaya music, etc. Homosexual priests do not help. What straight father and husband can relate to some swishy priest? Women priests would only serve to exacerbate, not ameliorate this problem.
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:15:23 AM PDT
by
jjm2111
(Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
To: TraditionalistMommy
Women in The Church are NOT second-class, try telling that to the Nuns I know! furthermore, the act of celebrating mass is of a community. By not having women as celebrants, in no way signifies that they are not the equals of men
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:16:20 AM PDT
by
Cronos
("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
To: TraditionalistMommy
The Catholic Church has adapted to society throughout its history, though often at a slow pace
A key point -- at a slow pace. Please don't make a change in the USA that will cause anguish to your fellow believers in Muslim dominated lands
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posted on
04/28/2008 10:19:21 AM PDT
by
Cronos
("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
To: jjm2111
Wow, this thread is really drawing some interesting people...
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