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'Deep Shift' hopes to shake things up (Brian Mclaren Emerging Emergent church)
Wednesday Journal of Oak Park and River Forest ^ | 4-1-08 | TOM HOLMES

Posted on 04/07/2008 9:23:19 AM PDT by Terriergal

'Deep Shift' hopes to shake things up
Everything Much Change Tour tries to alter dynamics of religious conversation

Brian McLaren

Those who think they have evangelicals figured out and have relegated them to a confined conceptual box may be in for surprise if they hear Brian McLaren speak at First United Church, April 4-5 as he brings his Everything Must Change Tour to Oak Park.

In his book by the same name, which he is promoting on the tour, McLaren acknowledges that evangelicals have in the past been concerned only with getting people "saved." While he has nothing against being born again, he argues that when evangelicals worry only about getting to heaven, they abandon the mission on earth that Jesus has given to every Christian.

He writes, "The versions of Christianity we inherited are largely flattened, watered-down, tamed ... offering us a ticket to heaven after death, but not challenging us to address the issues that threaten life on earth." (p. 3) Three of the most critical issues, he states, are the environment, poverty and war.

Underlying these three is a more profound spiritual issue. McLaren argues the Christian Church has, in modern times, failed to provide what he calls a "framing story," i.e. a myth, in the Joseph Campbell sense of the word, capable of giving direction, value, vision, inspiration and a framework for living, which empowers people to change what he refers to as the suicidal system threatening life on this planet.

Mike Clawson, who is coordinating the tour (also known as Deep Shift) in the Chicago area, acknowledged that liberal Protestants might find all this, at least on a superficial level, similar to what they have been hearing from the pulpit since the 1960s. Clawson, however, points out that McLaren, whose roots are evangelical, is trying to move past Christian thinking on both the right and the left. McLaren, he says, is "both post-evangelical and post-liberal."

The movement is sometimes referred to as the "Emerging Church Movement."

"Emergent folks," Clawson explained, "tend not to be as phobic about supernaturalism as classic mainline liberals [e.g. needing to "demythologize" the Bible, cast doubt on miracles, or redefine the Resurrection], but at the same time, we're not locked into a rigid biblical literalism either. There's an openness to rethinking a lot of core evangelical beliefs, but not necessarily settling for the liberal answers either."

In many ways McLaren's target audience is evangelicals.

"He is addressing many of their biggest blind spots regarding how their theology contributes to the systems of social injustice in the world," Clawson said, which is why McLaren shifts the emphasis from orthodoxy, i.e. right belief, to orthopraxy or right practice.

Mamie Broadhurst, the pastor at First United, is promoting the event because she sees it as an opportunity for a conversation between her, for the most part, liberal Protestant congregation and a Christian who comes down at the same end point but comes from a very different place and uses a different language to articulate his vision.

"The pushing point for those who are already out in the world," she said, "is how can I hear this language which I don't usually associate with that end point. It feels like language that has different belief structures behind it." Broadhurst believes this "multicultural" difference in religious language between her church members and a thinker whose roots are conservative should make for a "really engaging conversation."

Both Clawson and Broadhurst referred to McLaren as a bridge-builder who often catches flack from both the right and the left. "Liberals," Broadhurst said, "think he is still too wacky-you know, living in 'Jesus land'-and conservatives in some cases think he has abandoned Jesus altogether and left him by the wayside."

Seeing McLaren as a bridge-builder is what motivated Clare Butterfield to be part of a panel responding to his ideas. Butterfield is a Unitarian-Universalist minister who works for Faith in Place, an organization that seeks "to give tools to religious people to help them become better stewards of Creation."

"I agreed to be on the panel because I was intrigued by the Emergent Church take on the work I do from a more liberal theological stance," she said. "While the theological vocabulary is different, I would describe McLaren as a pragmatist-ideas are supposed to change outcomes. If we claim a value system or a sacred literature, then we should behave differently as a consequence of our interaction with it."

Also on the panel will be Lynn Hybels, the wife of Willow Creek's pastor and author of Nice Girls Don't Change the World, and Jhonathan Gomez, who was born in Guatemala and is involved with immigration issues and mentoring.


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: apostasy; brianmclaren; emergentchurch; emergingchurch
Apostasy alert! Doublespeak alert!

Everything Much Change? Maybe they'll fix that typo...

"Emergent folks," Clawson explained, "tend not to be as phobic about supernaturalism as classic mainline liberals [e.g. needing to "demythologize" the Bible, cast doubt on miracles, or redefine the Resurrection], but at the same time, we're not locked into a rigid biblical literalism either. There's an openness to rethinking a lot of core evangelical beliefs, but not necessarily settling for the liberal answers either."

Yeah you are different only in that you undermine different PARTS of Scripture. Give me a break. Making God in their own image.

1 posted on 04/07/2008 9:23:20 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal

DITTO DITTO DITTO

The problem is that, this crap is spreading over on a huge amount of good evangelical churches.


2 posted on 04/07/2008 9:38:30 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Terriergal
McLaren is no longer an evangelical. He is a post-modern universalist. He has said that Hindus can be followers of Jesus and good Hindus...and he expands that to all religions.

Also, he is in league with New Agers, and has abandoned the "Faith" once delivered. He has created his own religion which is Christian in name only [CINO].

His associates, to be avoided also, include Doug Pagitt, Rob Bell, [who are joining the Dalai Lama this month in an "interspiritual" event,]and Tony Jones.

3 posted on 04/07/2008 9:39:18 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper

So does this mean McLaren is now a follower in the Oprah Winfrey church?


4 posted on 04/07/2008 9:41:01 AM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Terriergal

Social Gospel is not Christianity. They can preach it along with Christianity but it is not a substitute.


5 posted on 04/07/2008 9:44:23 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: TommyDale

McLaren is not following Oprah, but there certainly are vibes in common. The New Age Movement is so wide open, very difficult to pin anyone of them down and say they are the same as someone else. But the underlying philosophy is very similar.


6 posted on 04/07/2008 10:37:50 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Coldwater Creek
The problem is that, this crap is spreading over on a huge amount of good evangelical churches.

If they allow Brian McLaren's teachings...they ain't "good" (something is profoundly wrong in their midst).

...other than being a vessel for further separation of the wheat from the chaff.

7 posted on 04/07/2008 10:43:59 AM PDT by pby
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To: TommyDale
So does this mean McLaren is now a follower in the Oprah Winfrey church?

Oprah Winfrey's church + Brian McLaren's church = Satan's church.

Anyone who denies Christ as The Way, and denies Penal Substitutionary Atonement (Christ died on the cross to pay for our sins - Mclaren calls the cross "false advertising for God" and endorsed a book, by Alan Jones, which called Substitutionary atonement a "vile doctrine" and "cosmic child abuse")...is a member of this above-mentioned church.

8 posted on 04/07/2008 10:50:32 AM PDT by pby
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To: Terriergal

Best I have heard about his “Deep Shift” is that there is a typo there as well. Musta fat-fingered it.


9 posted on 04/07/2008 2:09:08 PM PDT by Blogger (His love, not mine, the resting place, His truth, not mine, the tie.- Horatius Bonar)
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To: Terriergal

McClaren is building bridges - from here to hell. Everything will be made most clear once a man dies. Too late for the deceived.


10 posted on 04/07/2008 6:09:25 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Terriergal
[Hymns for a New World -- in the April issue of Touchstone magazine]

KEEP AWAY
Sung to "Jesus, Keep Me Near the Cross"

Jesus, keep me from the cross;
Be more understanding.
Free to all -- it better be;
Thus I am demanding.

(everbody now!) From the cross, from the cross!
I am ill-at-ease!
I would rather have to learn
Mandarin Chinese.

Jesus, keep me from the cross;
It's a bit too gory.
If you want some relevance,
Tell a diff'rent story.
From the cross, etc.

Jesus, keep me from the cross;
I must keep my distance.
I think I can find my own
Path of least resistance.
From the cross, etc.

--Patrick Davis

11 posted on 04/08/2008 5:19:10 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

That’s unfortunately not even satire these days!!


12 posted on 04/08/2008 6:35:29 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Blogger

I was kinda wondering if that was a typo or a play on words.


13 posted on 04/08/2008 6:36:02 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: LiteKeeper
McLaren is not following Oprah,

They're all lemmings following the same pied piper.

Sorry for the mixing of metaphors there! :-)

14 posted on 04/08/2008 6:37:08 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: RightWhale

certainly. I seem to remember Jesus condemning the Pharisees and other religious leaders doing their good works so as to be noticed by men.

That’s what the social gospel is all about! The only reason they think the church hasn’t done it down through the ages is because we don’t stand on the streetcorner preaching that side issue.


15 posted on 04/08/2008 6:38:24 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: LiteKeeper
He has said that Hindus can be followers of Jesus and good Hindus.

BTW Billy Graham said stuff like that too. I always wondered why my dad stopped listening to him.

16 posted on 04/08/2008 6:39:54 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Coldwater Creek

I hear ya. Good churches are few and far between these days. It can be SO discouraging to try and find one, especially right after having had your eyes opened, and gone through a big fight over having tried to confront the apostasy in the church one was once attending.


17 posted on 04/08/2008 6:41:06 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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