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To: Mad Dawg
Against those is made the claim, without any facts brought forward, that we think Mary is the first-born of Creation.

I do not know what Protestant made such a claim, but it sounds like you are putting up a straw man argument.

What Christians disagree with Roman Catholics and their evaluation is that she was born without sin, and therefore equal to Christ in human perfection.

In fact, her 'immaculate conception' would have been a greater miracle than the Lord's virgin birth, since Mary was born in the normal way and yet without receiving the adamic sin nature which comes through the man.

924 posted on 04/07/2008 2:38:50 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings
I refer you to #852 Where the following appears:
But she is not the One for whom all things were created, the Firstborn of every creature, and yet this is what Catholic theology claims.
[Emphasis duh]

Now you say :

I do not know what Protestant made such a claim, but it sounds like you are putting up a straw man argument.
1000 Silverlings said it. (Mind you, I AM just assuming he is a Protestant. The way he badmouths sheep and goats, I think the evidence is good.)

Have I settled that to your satisfaction? Does it still sound like I am putting up a straw man argument?

938 posted on 04/07/2008 5:49:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
In fact, her 'immaculate conception' would have been a greater miracle than the Lord's virgin birth, since Mary was born in the normal way and yet without receiving the adamic sin nature which comes through the man.

I keep forgetting your theory of how sin is transmitted. Sorry. I really had never heard it before, so it's taking a while to sink in.

942 posted on 04/07/2008 6:01:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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