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To: fortheDeclaration
In fact, her 'immaculate conception' would have been a greater miracle than the Lord's virgin birth, since Mary was born in the normal way and yet without receiving the adamic sin nature which comes through the man.

I keep forgetting your theory of how sin is transmitted. Sorry. I really had never heard it before, so it's taking a while to sink in.

942 posted on 04/07/2008 6:01:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
[In fact, her 'immaculate conception' would have been a greater miracle than the Lord's virgin birth, since Mary was born in the normal way and yet without receiving the adamic sin nature which comes through the man.]

I keep forgetting your theory of how sin is transmitted. Sorry. I really had never heard it before, so it's taking a while to sink in.

Well, it is clear you haven't been reading your Aquinas!

I posted what he said on this subject sometime back, so you can look it up.

The sin is transmitted by the male, hence the need of a virgin birth, without the seed of a human male.

The immaculate conception is a greater miracle than that of the virgin birth since Mary would have to been conceived without sin even though she was conceived of the seed of Adam (her human father).

Why do you think a virgin birth was important?

It was to make sure that Christ wasn't tainted by original sin that comes from the male.

A little study would clear up the confusion, but since the Roman Catholic Church has declared that Mary was born with an immaculate conception, why would you actually study the issue.

Just believe any fable that your church feeds you.

975 posted on 04/08/2008 1:24:06 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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I answer that, According to the Catholic Faith we must firmly believe that, Christ alone excepted, all men descended from Adam contract original sin from him; else all would not need redemption [Cf. Translator’s note inserted before TP, 27] which is through Christ; and this is erroneous. The reason for this may be gathered from what has been stated (1), viz. that original sin, in virtue of the sin of our first parent, is transmitted to his posterity, just as, from the soul’s will, actual sin is transmitted to the members of the body, through their being moved by the will. Now it is evident that actual sin can be transmitted to all such members as have an inborn aptitude to be moved by the will. Therefore original sin is transmitted to all those who are moved by Adam by the movement of generation.

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2081.htm


976 posted on 04/08/2008 1:33:35 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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