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To: Mad Dawg
[He rates all those who follow Him and obey His words as equal in status to His mother, brother and sister. So, why don't you do the same?]

Because I have a brain and I use it?

What part of that scripture (Mk.3:34-35) does your brain find hard to grasp?

Christ was very clear that He had made everyone who followed Him equal to His own immediate family, including His own mother.

Is this the kind of conversation you want to have? If so, include me out.

You mean a conversation on what scripture clearly says?

Yes, I would understand why a Roman Catholic would want to opt out of such a discussion.

873 posted on 04/07/2008 4:45:00 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: fortheDeclaration; hosepipe
Those of us who have brains and use them (Am I getting the protestant snarky thing down correctly?) note that there is a difference between "equal" and "same".

Further, we look at quotes in context and when we read Scripture we think not only about the one line but about the situation in which it is given.

So in the case of the woman who calls out "Blessed the womb that bore you and the breasts that have you suck," (from memory), I don't know what YOU see, But I see someone who is implicitly distancing herself from the love and holiness (and blessedness -- a word the pronunciation of which some Protestants seem unwilling to reveal) which Jesus offers to all of us in Him.

But, despite the tendentious leaning on the word usually translated as "rather" I do not think this text itself will unequivocally support the notion that all of us are currently equally OR identically blessed. What it will support is that we are all offered blessedness in Christ AND all challenged to avoid distancing ourselves from that call by adopting a kind of "poor little old me attitude, I'd be so much better off if only I were blood kin to Jesus" attitude.

One of the things I LIKE about hosepipe's disparaging of "denominations", though I think his contention is wrong in the final analysis, is that I think a temptation common to all Xtians is to keep putting something between us and an encounter with Christ, so that a Catholic might be distressed to learn that there was no Mass in heaven (since it is ALL Mass all the time) or Protestant might be upset to find no Bible (since the Word Himself constantly and intimately gives himself to all the blessed).

The woman calls out her cry, and Jesus says to her, "You too, Lady. Get a grip. Come to me and I'll SHOW you 'blessed'!"

AS has been said more than once in this protracted conflict as and has been ignored without remission, Mary has nothing in the blessedness department that is not offered to all the blessed. Maybe different degree, maybe different sort of manifestations, but holiness and blessedness nonethe less.

(Completely irrelevant note: I just tried spell checking this tirade and, whoa! Sumpin's up with the spell checker! weird!)

875 posted on 04/07/2008 6:00:06 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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