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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Your quotation does not say “God Elects” us in the Calvinist sense. Jean Cauvin added that, and you swallowed it whole.


424 posted on 04/03/2008 3:57:54 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski
Well, either God elects or men elect themselves.

I believe Scritpure, by the grace of God.

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" -- Romans 9:11

Read Ephesians 1.

434 posted on 04/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski

I hope you don’t mind my continued posting to you. I can’t use “one-liners” in Scripture. They are useless and it takes me a long time to type.


442 posted on 04/03/2008 4:54:44 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Petronski; Dr. Eckleburg

To Dr. Eckleburg’s comments, I would add John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Is that clear enough? Born again, saved unto life eternal, converted, et al. - not of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Paul makes this explicitly clear in Romans 9:
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

God is SOVEREIGN.


455 posted on 04/03/2008 6:25:28 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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