So there's a thirteenth thing that, we now know, we have to look for...coloring books...
Posted on 03/28/2008 1:40:20 PM PDT by NYer
12 .... like the Apostles :-)
Jesus is THE ROCK, the Petra, Peter is one of the stones, the petros.
These are greek terms. Greek was the language of commerce in first century Palestine. Jesus and Peter spoke the everyday language of Aramaic.
Jesus referred to Peter IN HEBREW as "Kepha" which was translated directly into Greek as "petra." When translated as a name it was rendered "Petros" because of grammatical gender: "petra" in Greek is feminine, while Peter's name had to be given as the masculine "Petros."
“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
Quote was from St. Ignatius of Antioch...forget to add that.
...and it would not let the magesterium hide the fact that the priests were abusing children, and would kick out those that support and help legislation that is not Christian, such as abortion.
It would actively discipline those that failed to uphold the truth of the Gospel, and would not exalt and beautify those that hold to “helping muslims be better muslims and hindus being better hindus” rather than trying to covert them.
It would try and distance itself from the Muslim anti-christ Mohammed and the satanic Allah.
And it would follow the written Word of God, rather than have an ever changing tradition.
So there's a thirteenth thing that, we now know, we have to look for...coloring books...
Touche’! killer post.
2. Those who support abortion in deed or word are subject to self excommunication.
3. We don't "discipline" those that fail to uphold the truth of the Gospel (sinners), we forgive them if they repent.
4. Have you ever been to Calcutta? Give the entire Mother Teresa quote: "There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—all different religions. But they all come to our prayers."
By the way, ask Chris Hitchens if she tried to convert them.
5. "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation." Mark 16:15
6. I don't think it's really possible for you to understand the Church without benefit of the Sacraments.
That first hand experience is one of the main reasons I went home to the Catholic Church.
Thanks so much for the ping...
Maybe a "going somewhere", just a little, under the interest of adaptibility & flexibility? Those two traits being hallmarks the writer speaks of...
otherwise;
It's already done a lot of "pogo stick"-ing around, in previous centuries. Some current articles of faith, decreed to be part of "the faith", were argued [vehemently at times] for many centuries before a much later arriving Pope decreed which side of the long-standing debate would be accepted.
Not only accepted, but made one no one can even merely cast doubt or dispersions upon, under threat of excommunication, with a little extra threat of damnation thrown in for good measure! Let's see...was this a doctrine that had previously been called "heresy" by an earlier pope or two...or was that term bandied about only in the council of bishops...?
Oh, and it gets better [worse, actually] for all this was in context of a doctrine that admittedly, according to the "RC Church", has no real clear scriptural support, and most certainly absolutely NO explicit scriptural support. Which is much as to the why, it had been argued for so long, for so-oo many centuries.This doctrine I speak of here, is a real doosy, too. Significant...
That being said, I for one can STILL see how a guy could get disillusioned with the Anglican Church, and find better peace and security in the RCC. I do mean that seriously...and I'm no Catholic, either. But then I bet you knew that, huh?
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I don't think you really understand what the Magisterium is. It is not a "group of church men".
>I don’t think you really understand what the Magisterium is. It is not a “group of church men”.
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“The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.” ^ Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd ed. 1997, pt. 1, sect. 1, ch. 2, art. 2, III [#100]
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Thus the Bishops that covered for the abusive priests were part of the Magesterium were they not? Not that by their obsfucation in hiding and moving the pedophiles that they were teaching much doctrine, besides by their actions that their flock was merely something best kept in the dark. I agree that they are not impeccable. I would just hope they could actually CARE about those under their watch as shepherds, rather than being the politicians that they turned out to be.
They showed that they, like the Renaissance Popes, were just worried about temporal power more than their own people, and THAT is not a sign that they belong to THE ONE TRUE CHURCH (caps for emphasis, not yelling). It is a sign that they are of the world, not of Christ.
What is funny, in the world with real politicians when they are caught doing such as the bishops did, the politicians are sacked. But in the One True Church, they are allowed to continue doing their job. In the real world, there is accountability.
The Magisterium is the teaching office of the Catholic Church. It is exercised by the Pope alone when he teaches officially, or by the whole "college" of bishops together with the Pope.
The main job of bishops is to teach the Gospel. They do so with a special assistance of the Holy Spirit himself so that we may hear a faithful, accurate proclamation of the one true faith.
Although individual bishops may err in their official teachings about faith and morals, the Magisterium as a whole never does. Nor does the Pope, by nature of Christ's special creation of Peter's office as one that "confirms the brethren" in the faith.
Thus the Bishops that covered for the abusive priests were part of the Magesterium were they not? Not that by their obsfucation in hiding and moving the pedophiles that they were teaching much doctrine, besides by their actions that their flock was merely something best kept in the dark.
The Catholic Church, like all of the others, is made up of sinners. God, in His mercy, however, preserved it from error. The Bible says that the Church is the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) and the final arbiter on questions of the Christian faith (Matt. 18:17). It is through the teaching authority and Apostolic Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6; 1 Cor. 11:2) of this Church, who is guided by the Holy Spirit (John 14:16,26; 16:13), that we know of the divine inspiration of the Scriptures, and the manifold wisdom of God. (cf. Ephesians 3:10).
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