Posted on 03/24/2008 3:36:37 PM PDT by annalex
He should have studied the Scriptures first, not just books about the scriptures as so many are but thoughts of the person writing the book and that is confusion if that is all you study.
The scriptures is what the God of Israel wants saved Christians to study first and foremost as every Word thereis is the Word of God.
God, not man, is the author of the scriptures and books about scripture will always fall short.
[He is a very learned, intelligent and kind gentleman.]
I wondered if He believed the Word of God?
[Notice the Scripture given the Blessed Mother.]
Nice picture, but the Jews believed in the Queen of Heaven when they were apostate and even had high places for other gods and murdered their children and gave sacrafices to the Queen of Heaven that God had given them.
Read Jeremiah 44 to help you understand.
I think you are correct.
I’m pretty emphatically of the opinion, that IF heavenbound folks pray . . . it is at Holy Spirit’s prompting and direction and NOT having anything to do with folks on our side directing anything TO them.
NO WAY does God want ANY CHRIST AS THE INTERCESSOR with THE FATHER role diminished in the slightest.
And the whole idea of an interloping Mary role in competition with Christ is offensively idolatrous and blasphemous almost to the max.
That’s much as I see it, too.
Thx.
Yes- ‘the Elders AMONG you’. Not over you.
And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake.
1Thes 5:12-13
At what point does the descriptor “stiff-necked” or “rebellious” become appropriate?
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INDEED.
Thx
A trillion books about the Bible is not the word of God and many who wrote them never beleived the Word of God, the Scriptures, to begin with and therefore are in error concernint the Word of the Lord. The doctrines of Catholism for the most are apostate doctrines and will fail as they are the doctrines and the traditions of men.
Hence, Sola Scriptura.
Jeremiah 44
13. For I will punish them that dwell in the land of Egypt, as I have punished Jerusalem, by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence:
14. So that none of the remnant of Judah, which are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall escape or remain, that they should return into the land of Judah, to the which they have a desire to return to dwell there: for none shall return but such as shall escape.
15. Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
16. As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.
17. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
18. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
19. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
20. Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,
21. The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and came it not into his mind?
22. So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.
23. Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.
24. Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of the Lord, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt:
25. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.
Via the laying on of hands, specifically with Paul. If God was to imbue men with the full power of the Holy Spirit through nothing more than His Will, then certainly Paul would be morth worthy of such an honor than anyone else throughout history. The fact that, after God had chosen Paul, the Apostles laid hands upon him to confer their gift goes a long way is supporting the passing on of the gift.
See my post 439 for clarification.
By the way, I also recognize the Apostolic authority due to one who plants a church- but if you truly follow Paul’s model, it doesn’t look anything like what we see in most churches today.
I see a family of brothers and sisters in the household of God. Some are elder brothers, but they don’t run the house- God alone does that. So by the absence of special leaders, we all become special leaders.
I agree we are all one family in Christ - too often that is forgotten on these threads. However, while, yes, God is the head of house, He isn't home right now, so to speak. As such, the "eldest brothers" need to step up and wear the mantle of "man of the house." I don't believe that when Christ left this Earth He left His house in such arrears, without any authority.
As for the ‘true leadership’ vs. ‘leadership class’ question, if the character already exists, why does there have to be an outward indication of one’s status then? Why the robes, the titles, the special places in the rituals? If the character is there, that’s enough for me.
This is a loaded question, as is the comment about the architechure, and it gets to the heart of all Sacramental Theology. If you want, I can try to get into that can o' worms, but it may be best to save it for another thread.
You presume too much only in that I am merely some punk kid, and, if anything, I should be calling you "sir" for your service rendered to this Nation.
Back to your post, I understand now much better your background. Going to ZooMass to try and learn divinity is like going to England to try and learn cooking.
Did you only attend a single Church in your childhood, or does your experience relate to various Catholic Churches headed by various Priests?
Also, any specific FF Bruce book you would recommend? I see he was quite the prolific author.
Lastly, I doubt you're more well-read than I am - again, I'm just some punk kid.
When did the Apostles do this??? Please refresh my memory --
However, while, yes, God is the head of house, He isn't home right now, so to speak.
I have to disagree. The Holy Spirit is with us- and this point goes to the center of our debate.
Christ was rejected and murdered because He represented a challenge to the present religious ruling class, who were grasping their influential and profitable place in the lives of God's people at all costs.
Today, the Holy Spirit is rejected for much the same reason.
You wrote:
“I wondered if He believed the Word of God?”
Fr. Harrison believes in the Word of God. From what I know of his background he has believed his whole life - certainly his whole adult life.
How about you?
Jean Cauvin? A saint?
ROFLMAO
In my view, intellect (intellectual) is a creation of man...Probably philosophers...God of course, gave us a brain and the ability to reason...
If yes, do you believe logic is an ability of our Intellect?
Logic is generally misplaced...
If yes, what is the proper role of logic in our lives, and in respect to Scripture?
There is no role in scripture for logic...Logic is akin to common sense...Common sense is for people who don't know something...
John 2...for those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see.
First, you will please note the BVM remains unnamed in the Cana story. The Holy Spirit obviously wants no confusion on which "Mary" is involved.
Next, the BVM merely "informs" our Lord as to the status of the wine. It is also quite obvious our Lord knows her heart and is attentive to her wishes even though she hasn't made a formal request.
Our Lord then makes it known to his mother what she wants is outside the divine plan. Nevertheless, GOD CONDESCENDS TO ALTER HIS DIVINE PLAN AT HER REQUEST!
Despite what the Scriptural text records of what our Lord "says" in answer to his mother, we see the very next event in the text is the BVM giving commands to the servants to prepare the way for our Lord's glory to be made manifest.
Is it any wonder millions of Jesus Christ's followers ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, who is just as alive as Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, to interceed for them with our Lord?
In this light, it seems pretty clear to me continual harping on 1Tim 2:5 is the same spirit that accused the disciples of "harvesting."
Logic and common sense are gifts from God. Have you never asked God for discernment in troubling times?
It seems extraordinary, and sad somehow, that these basic things are not being taught in other faiths.
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