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To: vladimir998

***You are justifying FDR’s inaction....***

What color is the sky in your world? I haven’t discussed FDR at all and, frankly, refuse to do so. It has absolutely nothing with how good or evil some Pope was. It is a non-issue.

I realize that Catholics are duty bound to defend their Popes. That doesn’t mean that the rest of us have to be starry-eyed. And, it doesn’t mean we have to be distracted by Catholic attempts to try and confuse things. I have this thing called a free choice and don’t have to bow down before any leader in my church.


958 posted on 03/19/2008 8:47:00 AM PDT by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Lord_Calvinus

A Calvinist with free choice? Do tell!


960 posted on 03/19/2008 8:48:57 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Lord_Calvinus

You wrote:

“What color is the sky in your world? I haven’t discussed FDR at all and, frankly, refuse to do so.”

I didn’t say you did. But you are at the very least justifying his inaction according to your own logic. If you think - as you said - that mentioning FDR was not too helpful in saving Jews is an attempt to cover up the shame of Catholics on the “evil actions” of their leaders in the same regard, then at the very least your refusal to admit that FDR and other Americans were not so hot in their pursuit of defending Jews must mean you are trying to justify their failures - that is, if we use your own logic. are you now recanting your own logic and remarks? Please let me know.

“It has absolutely nothing with how good or evil some Pope was. It is a non-issue.”

Apparently it is an issue if we use your own logic. Also, doesn’t the pope, Pius XII, have to be proven evil before it can be assessed that someone is trying to avoid that as an issue? When was that proven? In what post exactly?

“I realize that Catholics are duty bound to defend their Popes.”

We are? According to whom? Are you just making things up now?

“That doesn’t mean that the rest of us have to be starry-eyed.”

But apparently you wnat to be. After all you claimed we were trying “to justify the evil actions of their leadership, have simply taken to attacking America and past Presidents during WWII.”

Apparently you have a rather starry eyed view of the former presidents and American history in regard to Jews around 1938-1945. I don’t.

“And, it doesn’t mean we have to be distracted by Catholic attempts to try and confuse things.”

Oh, so pointing out that Pius XII saved over 800,000 Jews while FDR skipped easy opportunities to save Jews is confusing the issue? No, it is hitting at the exact problem - Pius was a hero but is no longer granted that status because of anti-Catholic sentiment.

“I have this thing called a free choice and don’t have to bow down before any leader in my church.”

I have free choice as well, but I have no inherent right to grasp on to sin and call it other than sin. I have no inherent right to grasp onto rebellion and call it freedom. Christ sent a Church. That Church has authority and I gladly respect it because it was sent by Christ. If you think you can exercise your free will against the power authorities Christ sent with complete impunity in this world or the next then you don’t understand what the Church is, Who sent it, Who died to be able to sent it out into the world, and what its for. And I wouldn’t be surprised at all. As I once heard a Protestant minsiter say in a recording of a debate with a Catholic: The Reformation was about freedom, not truth. I agree. It was about freedom, but without truth what kind of freedom will a man have?


972 posted on 03/19/2008 9:27:18 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Lord_Calvinus

I have this thing called a free choice

Sorry friend, but you do not. The LORD, and HE alone, is sovereign.

999 posted on 03/19/2008 10:33:08 PM PDT by calvin-ist-ich
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