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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Let me get this straight....

Catholics, in an effort to justify the evil actions of their leadership, have simply taken to attacking America and past Presidents during WWII.

Kinda funny in a way if it wasn’t so sad. In some ways it is like the liberal cries against our efforts in Iraq today.


935 posted on 03/19/2008 6:00:43 AM PDT by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Lord_Calvinus
Let me get this straight

Nope, you got it crooked.

937 posted on 03/19/2008 6:26:24 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Lord_Calvinus

You wrote:

“Let me get this straight....”

Oh, here we go...

“Catholics, in an effort to justify the evil actions of their leadership,...”

We have not tried to justify anyone’s evil actions. What evil actions have we tried to justify.

“... have simply taken to attacking America and past Presidents during WWII.”

So you mean there is nothing wrong with presidents of the past? You mean Kennedy wasn’t a whoremonger, none of the presidents were racist and members of the klan, none of the presidents were anti-semitic and FDR didn’t drop the ball when refusing Jews refuge in the US when fleeing Hitler’s rule? Huh. You seem to have a very rosy glasses sort of view of American history. I don’t.

“Kinda funny in a way if it wasn’t so sad. In some ways it is like the liberal cries against our efforts in Iraq today.”

No, actually it isn’t like that at all. For one thing, the liberals want us to lose in Iraq. No Catholic here is pining away wishing the US had lost WWII. Second, if someone, anyone, wants to say that American efforts in Iraq, although often amazingly heroic on the part of the individual grunt’s part has been seriously mishandled in one way or another, he may have a point. Do you think the war has been handled perfectly on all levels and in every way since the beginning? If you do, then you have no clue. Mistakes have been made. They always are in wartime. The difference is this: America was tainted by anti-semitism in the WWII era. Everyone knows this is true. FDR could have done so much more to aid Jews, and didn’t. Why not? Was it because he was evil? I doubt it. Was it because he was anti-semitic? Doubtful. But he could have done more - at least in hindsight. He probably believed he was doing the best he could under the circumstances. I think a similar argument can be made for Pius XII. He could have done more - in hindsight. But at the time he was doing everything he apparently believed he could do. He was feeding and caring for Jews (with kosher food no less) in his own household! He saved up to 860,000 Jews at one time or another according to the Israeli historian, and rabbi, Pinchas Lapide. How many did FDR save? Is that even a fair question? No, not really.


938 posted on 03/19/2008 6:51:43 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Lord_Calvinus

More ironic still: you begin “let me get this straight” and then proceed to twist the matter beyond all recognition.


945 posted on 03/19/2008 7:45:18 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Lord_Calvinus
Catholics, in an effort to justify the evil actions of their leadership, have simply taken to attacking America and past Presidents during WWII.

Sad to say, it looks that way.

Four hundred thousand Americans, no doubt relatives of you and me and all of us, died to bring peace to this earth, and yet the RCC seems to be saying it wasn't enough.

Pacelli's silence, however, they deem appropriate and productive.

978 posted on 03/19/2008 10:24:10 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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