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Study: Catholics losing the faith
Medill Reports ^ | Feb 27, 2008 | Greg Trotter

Posted on 03/01/2008 7:26:21 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: Barnacle; Cronos
Some posters cannot make it through the day without affirming their ability to irritate others. They feed off anger and pain. It is their "natural manure" (as Mr. Jefferson said in another connection).

If you pay attention, you will find that there is a scarcity of argument or dialog in their discourse. Instead they make up insulting words and use them perseveratively. They pronounce statements, but do not back them up with source or reason. They respond to disagreement with put-downs like "hogwash". They do not recognize any obligation to back up their statements, but profess that they are their own authority. "Having the last word" - even if it's only a word of abuse, is often very important to them.

When their manner of discourse is criticized they will blame the pain they cause on their victims by
(1) asserting that the statement of, for example, Catholic opinion is so provocative that they cannot restrain themselves from responding; and
(2) arguing that posted words have only the power their reader gives them.

The obvious contradiction between these two propositions escapes their notice.

When they are treated as they treat others, they comment on the unfairness and cruelty of such treatment and then proclaim with self-conscious nobility that to be targeted for such abuse is meritorious.

Verb. Sap.

161 posted on 03/03/2008 5:38:05 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: WriteOn
Indeed. When Benedict started closing the cafeteria, people jumped.

I'm OK with a smaller, purer Church!

162 posted on 03/03/2008 5:41:29 AM PST by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: tioga
Well, our parish is a Dominican parish, so it survived our previous very liberal bishop. Now we have a decent bishop.

My heart goes out to you, though. But here is where the laity can really make the difference. Seriously however "pious" it sounds, I think that the suffering cause by lousy bishops is good material to offer up. Through prayer God works wonders, and your children and children's children may see the blessed fruits of your discomfort. Papa Ben is, I think, so good that we can reasonably hope for a good successor, and the scourge of liberal bishops will finally be withdrawn from our backs.

163 posted on 03/03/2008 5:42:45 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Twink
I love this Pope. I appreciated and loved/respected JP2 but our Church needed someone like Benedict. Most practicing Catholics appreciate and thank God we have this Pope now. Many in the liberal American Catholic church didn’t want him as pope so they weren’t pleased. Pope Benedict doesn’t cater to anyone(except Jesus and His teachings), note his speech and the backlash concerning Mohammed/Islam. One would think the non-muslim world would appreciate that. Especially America since 9-11. Sorta surprises me so many don’t. Then again, on the flip side, it doesn’t really surprise me since we’re heading towards socialiam and the masses are too stupid to see it or too lazy to fight it.

The major disappointment for me, a non-RC, about the new pope is his urging of the high Latin Mass back into the church liturgy. I say this because I do not know too many of you who really understand the meaning of Latin and I also liken it to the criticism I have with my church's decision to go back to Rite 1 during the Lenten season with its emphasis on Elizabethan English.

A few years back it was pointed out to me by a very faithful minister of the Gospel who was neither RC or Anglican that prayer should be made in the language you're most comfortable with...example, which is more appropriate:
Thou go great majesty whose providence is always to grant mercy, I do beseech thee to grant my plea to have an ability to transport my beloved tonight to thy great and exalted place of worship...

Or:

Dad, can I borrow the car tonight to take my girlfriend to the church dance?

164 posted on 03/03/2008 6:00:59 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 325 and counting! Stay home and get Baraked!)
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To: Barnacle; Quix

Are you as aggressive and condemning towards your fellow Catholics who are charismatics or are interested in end times prophecy? It seems a little over the top to call seeking a closer connection to the holy spirit or to seek to understand end times prophecy as “loony tunes.” I’m neither pentacostal nor Catholic, but I hate to see fellow Christians waste their time bashing each other and even worse hurting the image of Christians overall when non-Christians read these posts; particularly in the context of Free Republic where presumably we are also fellow conservatives.


165 posted on 03/03/2008 7:04:17 AM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: Greg F; Barnacle
You're right -- perhaps Barnacle did forget to turn the other cheek when provocated by Quix's little snipes like "maryolators" or "magicsterium".

Are they "loony"? No, I don't think people can be labelled like that for those beliefs and I'm sure Barnacle doesn't mean that either. However, I am sure that Barnacle's comments were more about Quix -- and directed specifically at Quix.
167 posted on 03/03/2008 7:40:20 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Mad Dawg

“When J2P2 was dying, one of the deputies kept saying to me, “He’s just a man.” I was confused until I realized that he was one of the many who have listened to those who hate Catholicism to form his opinion about what the Church teaches.”

Now I get to sound even more ignorant; What “deputies?” and the Pope IS just a man....isn’t he?


168 posted on 03/03/2008 7:51:16 AM PST by Grunthor (By the time McCain leaves the Senate there will not be a single Democrat ass left unkissed.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Well I can tell you one thing. After reading your entire post I understand why I am not a Catholic. Just seems like an awful lot of stuff to learn and understand.

Over on the Protestant side, just got the Bible and for many that is hard enough. I don’t any real animosity for you folks, you believe in Jesus, same as me and mine.

According to my beliefs, we’ll be meeting up in Heaven.


169 posted on 03/03/2008 7:55:16 AM PST by Grunthor (By the time McCain leaves the Senate there will not be a single Democrat ass left unkissed.)
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To: Cronos

Other groups like the pente-whatever, tele-evangelicals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc. are not Christian but on the contrary do the evil one’s work by leading people astray

= = =

From my perspective, that’s a kool-aid construction on reality.


170 posted on 03/03/2008 8:04:55 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cronos

You seem to forget . . .

The RC book burners didn’t SUCCESSFULLY DESTROY all the ‘non-kosher’ early documents.

LOL.


171 posted on 03/03/2008 8:05:52 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cronos

Really?

LOL.


172 posted on 03/03/2008 8:06:23 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cronos

What a lovely little label:

little snipe Quix

I haven’t been called something like that since . . . goodness when . . . Navy days???

teen search games in the woods days?

LOL.

Perhaps you didn’t read . . . magicsterical is a short-hand for a long paragraph about ALL ecclesiastical hierarchical RELIGIOUS governning bodies.

It just so happens that the RC version is the worst and most convenient example.


173 posted on 03/03/2008 8:08:35 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cronos

TRC — don’t you understand? Only Quix has the gift of knowledge, the gnosis, to know God, and the only way for us to learn is at the feet of Quix to gain this esoteric gnosis

= = =

Oh, goodness.

Really?

Why didn’t someone send me a memo! I *MIGHT* have fasted and prayed more! LOL.


174 posted on 03/03/2008 8:09:51 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cronos

Enjoy that construction on reality.

Authentic history will catch-up with all of us soon enough.


175 posted on 03/03/2008 8:10:38 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Mad Dawg

Hogwash.


176 posted on 03/03/2008 8:12:35 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Greg F

Thanks for a worthy exhortation.


177 posted on 03/03/2008 8:13:50 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cronos; All

RC’s

CERTAINLY DO

SEEM to think, believe and practice

that THEY AND ONLY THEY

deserve a FREE PASS . . . perhaps an INDULGENCE?

on the AVOID MAKING IT PERSONAL thing.


178 posted on 03/03/2008 8:15:30 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Grunthor

Oh, dear!

Next you’ll start saying that Mary was just a woman instead of a Jr goddess.

Then the fur will fly, for sure!


179 posted on 03/03/2008 8:16:30 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Greg F

My bias is that

IN-GROUP/OUT-GROUP dynamics, perspectives, feelings, customs, . . .

make for poor theology.

Always have. Will until Jesus Returns.


180 posted on 03/03/2008 8:20:16 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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