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Posted on 02/28/2008 4:40:37 PM PST by Alex Murphy
NEW YORK, N.Y. (Catholic League) - Yesterday, Senator John McCain said he was “very honored by Pastor John Hagee’s endorsement.”
The Republican presidential hopeful also called Hagee “the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement,” citing the minister’s pro-Israel stance.
Catholic League president Bill Donohue addressed this today:
“There are plenty of staunch evangelical leaders who are pro-Israel, but are not anti-Catholic. John Hagee is not one of them. Indeed, for the past few decades, he has waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church.
For example, he likes calling it ‘The Great Whore,’ an ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ,’ and a ‘false cult system.’ To hear the bigot in his own words, click here. http://youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q
Note: he isn’t talking about the Buddhists.
“In Hagee’s latest book, Jerusalem Countdown, he calls Hitler a Catholic who murdered Jews while the Catholic Church did nothing. ‘The sell-out of Catholicism to Hitler began not with the people but with the Vatican itself,’ he writes.
“For the record, Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church and was automatically excommunicated in 1931—two years before he assumed power—when he acted as best man at Joseph Goebbel’s Protestant wedding. Hitler even bragged about his separation from the Church.
As for doing nothing about the Holocaust, Sir Martin Gilbert reminds us that Goebbels denounced Pope Pius XII for his 1942 Christmas message criticizing the Nazis (the New York Times lauded the pope for doing so in an editorial for two years in a row).
Much to Hagee’s chagrin, Gilbert also says that Pius XII saved three quarters of the Jews in Rome, and that more Jews were saved proportionately in Catholic countries than Protestant countries. Indeed, Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide credited the Catholic Church with saving 860,000 Jews. No religion can match that.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...
Thank God the Third Reich is gone.
Thank God Tito is gone.
And yet their lies are repeated here even to this day . . . all in the name of anti-Catholic hatred.
I’m glad for the Second Amendment whenever I read these threads. But for the grace of God, these people would come for me, in a pogrom.
Wow. The morphing of the book cover is shocking.
Exactly so; it is called "sacrament", "doctor".
I could have retyped the Vanity Fair article from my copy of the magazine, but that would have taken a long time.
After reading Israel's link to the article, it is the same as my hardcopy.
Hope this puts your mind at ease. But it is SOP to trash the messenger rather than absorb what's being said.
If you don't care for Cornwell, you could read Garry Wills' book from 2000 -- "Papal Sins."
Something to remember is that both Garry Wills and Cornwell are practicing Roman Catholics who pull their punches even in these books. I'd like to read a book on this topic by someone who doesn't have a vested interest in perpetuating the papacy. If anyone knows of one, I'd be interested.
After another google search, I did come across David Kertzer's book which, interestingly enough, is reveiwed by Garry Wills here...
lol. "Shocking," via Claude Rains' Inspector Renault in "Casablanca."
What's inside the book is even more shocking. Hope you get around to reading it.
Off topic: Did this forum just become less user friendly or is it just me?
I am growing very tired of these “personality pastor” denominations which stand in the front of the temple saying how holy they are so everyone can see.
It is obvious that water is not salvific.
If EVERY denomination really believed it were, they’d be at the mall with a firehose dousing the passersby.
They aren’t because they know the truth.
Water without faith is just another wet guy.
“Those who believe and are baptized shall be saved; those who do not believe shall be condemned.”
McCain is borrowing this straight out of the Democrat Party playbook. (rev. walis bs)
He finds some socialist “christian” nobody heard of and says “me too”.
Besides I though huckabee had all these televagalist types.
Some believe it.
Kertzer has done a staggeringly thorough job of tracing Catholic statements on the Jews, and in using the Vatican archives to show what support was given to the people making these statements. From this he argues that the debate over what Pius XII might have done during the Holocaust is a distraction from a more important question -- what did the Catholic church do to help bring on the Holocaust in the first place? It did a great deal. The anti-Semitic campaign against Alfred Dreyfus, the French military officer convicted of treason in 1894 on forged documents, was largely driven by a fanatical band of Catholics denouncing Dreyfus for his perfidious Jewishness. The Assumptionist Fathers made this a special mission of their daily newspaper, La Croix. Owen Chadwick, the author of the excellent ''History of the Popes: 1830-1914'' (1998), says of this campaign that it ''was the most powerful and extreme journalism ever conducted by an otherworldly religious order during the history of Christendom.'' Pope Leo XIII, though he criticized the paper for other reasons, never objected to this rabid effort. He said in 1899, ''I love La Croix.'' And no wonder. His own official newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, had also prejudged Dreyfus's guilt. Later, it defended anti-Semitic mobs resisting a reversal of his rigged conviction: ''The Jewish race, the deicide people, wandering throughout the world, brings with it everywhere the pestiferous breath of treason.'' Kertzer brings the story down to the late 1930's, when Pius XI's attempt at writing an encyclical condemning Nazi anti-Semitism was sabotaged by the superior general of the Jesuits (a Polish aristocrat) and the editor of Civilta Cattolica. For that matter Pius XI himself, who served as a papal diplomat in Poland during World War I, dismissed reports of pogroms there as inventions of Jewish propaganda. He wrote to the Vatican secretary of state: ''One of the most evil and strongest influences that is felt here, perhaps the strongest and the most evil, is that of the Jews.'...""David Kertzer, a professor of history at Brown University, has undertaken the sickening task of compiling a sampler of such material issuing from church-sponsored newspapers. He earlier wrote ''The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara,'' which told how Pius IX took a 6-year-old boy away from his Jewish parents because the Inquisition had decided that the boy had been secretly baptized by a Christian servant working in the Mortara household. ''The Popes Against the Jews'' is even more disheartening than ''The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara,'' besides being a more formidable scholarly achievement, since it traces, over a stretch of two centuries, the Vatican's endorsement of things like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or the guilt of Alfred Dreyfus or the charge that Jews regularly commit ritual murders of Christian children. Pope John Paul II's document on the Holocaust, ''We Remember,'' said that the Catholic church in the past objected to Jews only on theological grounds, not racial ones. Kertzer easily destroys this falsehood. To quote again Oreglia's article, cleared by the Vatican secretariat of state: ''Oh how wrong and deluded are those who think Judaism is just a religion, like Catholicism, Paganism, Protestantism, and not in fact a race, a people, and a nation! . . . For the Jews are not only Jews because of their religion . . . they are Jews also and especially because of their race.'
A used copy of the book is available for only a few dollars on Amazon.
lol. I wish I had said that. And if I ever do, remind me you said it first. 8~)
Ditto for all those damning photographs. I doubt they were photo-shopped since none of them seem to be challenged.
On the contrary, there are 1,000s of photos just like them showing just how close the Vatican was to Berlin.
As you said so well, "Associations and sources mean something."
Since you were wondering about all the many responses to the RCC back-slapping...Ping to this post and to 187.
Well, Hitler wrote "Mein Kamp" in 1925, and it was a best-seller.
I agree that even some Jews were shocked at the depth of the evil. Just goes to show we're hard-wired to disbelieve that all men are fallen and all hearts are made of stone unless God intervenes.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" -- Jeremiah 17:9
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