Posted on 02/28/2008 6:25:40 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
ROMAN CATHOLICISM: A DIFFERENT GOSPEL
In their lust for unity the Emergent Church and post-evangelical “Protestants” are right now embracing the Roman Catholic Church as another Christian denomination. But the issue is simple: If, as taught the Church of Rome, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without “the new birth in baptism” then we are now in hopeless contradiction with the Gospel contained in Holy Scripture.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)
Speaking The Truth In Love
Let me make this as clear as I possibly can for the Roman Catholics who may read this work in Christ from Apprising Ministries. I personally am former member of the Church of Rome and care very deeply about those, such as the majority of my own family line, who are trapped in this apostate man-made system of religion known as Roman Catholicism. I also fully realize that what I say may sound “unloving” and possibly even “harsh.” However, there is just nothing that I can do about that. By not telling the Truth we aren’t doing anyone a service.
(Excerpt) Read more at apprising.org ...
Seriously Al. You've been around long enough to know the score is pretty much even.
The Reformation was among other things a very complicated political affair. The pope was not happen to see such a powerful Roman Emperor; the emperor was determined to make himself king in Germany and not just a figure head. He was also king of Spain, which is what brought him into Italy, effectively ending France’s role there for awhile, and threatening the pope’s control of the papal states. The Pope and emperor were, of course, allies against the Turkish Sultan who was invading Germany; the Luther princes somewhat less ardent in this, were not eager to send money to Rome to use against the Turk. The king of France, a Catholic, was a sometime ally of the Turk. Then we have England... In any case, Luther was largely indifferent to all this stuff.
And I've found that people who still bring up high school never made it to college.
Elitism without merit and reward without deserving. It’s a shame that you have to follow the creeds of foreign governments in order to feed your ego.
lol. Incoherent as ever.
You’re welcome to rant long at me most any time.
It’s !!!TRADITION!!! around here!
The particular mission field was much better—though all but 2 of the families left WELS. At least no one left The Lord as was highly likely before I was brought into the situation.
Sadly, one of the same mission couples is still being plagued stupidly by the insensitive hierarchy that has every reason to know better—one of the best involved in the former situation is not courageously running enough interference vis a vis the rest of the Milwaukee dorks—if I’m hearing remotely correctly.
imho, folks not on the mission field and who’ve never been on the mission field have little reason to be supervising folks who are. EGO driven Grandstanding and turf wars and pontifications just have no place in the process.
This particular field and personnel are doing great work for The Lord and even for WELS. They do not need and do not deserve the hindrances, complications and idiocies being thrown in their way—again—if I’m hearing remotely accurately—which I have every reason to believe I am. Certainly the folks on the field need to stand up more firmly to the folks in Milwaukee—but that’s a whole ‘nother issue.
In terms of the FELLOWSHIP issue—I disagree fiercely. I think it is an utter abomination to God. I believe God is beyond grieved about it.
The BLOOD BROTHERHOOD in Christ’s BLOOD SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR FELLOWSHIP. Add in His Spirit—all the more so. No excuse for not doing so—imho—from God’s perspective.
I see it as illogical, UNBIBLICAL and HTTM—HIDEOUS TO THE MAX.
1. IT’S A FARCE. WELS folks all disagree with one another. They just keep quiet about it on the more —”important” ‘minor’—splnter issues unless they are with folks who are on their side of the various factions—biding their time until THEIR FACTION is in power. So—the pretension that WELS is IN FELLOWSHIP WITH ITSELF IS AN UTTER FARCE.
2. Justifying THE FELLOWSHIP issue requires mangling Scripture all out of whack to the max—and that in a prideful, exclusionistic, haughty, prissy sort of pharisee attitude kind of way. Not exactly Christ-like in the least. And, in my experience, that’s in contrast to the humble, loving, quite Christian attitudes and behaviors of the rank and file.
3. Perpetuating THE FELLOWSHIP ISSUE requires an inquisitional attitude and set of practices that have to be a horrendous stench in the nostrils of God.
I could go on but I’ll stop there.
Blessings,
I know! I know!
A badge of RIGHTEOUSNESS even! Sheesh! What a stench.
Rather the opposite of what Christ challenged, called us to and modeled for us.
The RC EDIFICE is the MOST MAN-MADE religion of the last 2000 years.
Whatever original anointing MIGHT have resided in A FEW Roman hierarchy folks
has long ago leaked off, if not been sent running
by all the power mongering, arrogance, blindness, man-centered idolatries etc.
Certainly ego and conceit, and hubris and pride beyond all. That is the Protestant heritage.
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Who knows... Some of these people are positively obsessed about it. Then they get upset and even more prolific in their posts when it dawns on them that Catholics really don’t care about them or their complaint du jour.
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HOGWASH.
It’s quite the contrary.
We Prottys will be cruising along quite comfortably in our own turf and sensibilities when some evidently bored RC edifice rep will post a thread brazenly poking Protties in the eyes—quite aggressively daring us to differ.
Sheesh.
Certainly, and now those privileges have been extended to all children of God's family in the new covenant.
No one knows for certain the eternal destiny of anyone except themselves. Isaac had both Jacob whom God loved and Esau whom god hated. Adam and Eve had both Cain and Abel.
Mercifully, we have Christ's promise that the child of a believing parent is most likely among God's family since it is God who gives us our children. Parents have a Godly responsibility to bring up their children in a solid and loving Christian household. And thus we have faith that our children will grow up and believe and glorify God by their lives...
"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy." -- 1 Corinthians 7:14
Any more certainty than that is beyond ours to have. We live by faith.
So save all your smarmy quips, Mark, since that appears to be all you have to add to these discussions. I would urge you to read the Bible and work towards a better defense of your position than witless name-calling.
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified." -- Isaiah 61:1-4"The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isn't that a great phrase? "...that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord." It reminds me of Alamo-Girl's response when she says she's an encourager. What a blessed gift.
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters... Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. " -- Rev. 14:6-7,12"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
INDEED, INDEED!
THANKS THANKS.
Perhaps you might entertain the notion that man-made religions will all go down the same path eventually. There is one path that one might follow - that of Jesus.
The truth is any church can fall into apostasy, just like Israel did over and over again in the OT. In spite of organizational apostasy, there may or may not be a remnant of the elect that exixt not because of the state of affairs in said organization, but because God wills it so.
Rome became officially apostate in 1545 when it declared
If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.
Many previously sound denominations have similarly slipped into apostasy over the last couple of hundred years.
My own denomination flirted briefly with the absolutely Romanesque New Perspectives On Paul. Thank God it was shouted down. Had it not I would have been forced to find a new home in which worship.
Are YOU tawkinna ME? Comic ruhLEEF?
No, seriously, can you say a little more about what the sequence of chapeters and all means to you? in about two minutes I have to go lave the corpse and scrape hairs off its face and then work for a long while. So maybe in the interim you could develop your thought, please?
I would go this far: Darn near all people have some error in them, and lots prefer error to truth.
The 30 years war was a rather odd time in history. By the end, the Pope was more afraid of Catholic France than Protestant Germany, and actually helped Gustav Adolphus some (who had also been paid by France before). At least one history of the war that I have read says that it was really a fight between three Catholic powers, Spain and the HRE, France, and the Papal States, that was fought in the Protestant estates.
Hence you have the Catholic Holy Roman Emperor storming Rome with an army of Lutheran/Calvinist mercs. Who a few years past had been fighting against said Emperor.
Sure did, Dan. The entire article stinks of bias toward Catholics.
Sorry, Steven ... I disagree. Most of the time it's the Catholics defending their beliefs against posts like this article. Can you show me some articles posted by a Catholic that shows the same kind of attitude toward non-Catholics as this article shows against Catholics?
Amen
Roms.9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Little by little we become aware that it is ALL of God according to His plan for His creation.
So why say Baptism is sacramental and imparts Grace? It's no different than saying the Lord's Supper is sacramental and imparts Grace.
How do you know they are passed on accurately?
Oh, Mark, how blind are they who will not see. Your religion has plenty of heresy in it.
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