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To: P-Marlowe

First of all, the papyri were in that Chicago museum for all the world to see for some time, & Joseph’s translation was never discredited. Remember, we don’t have a known original of the Bible either (does the same dog ate the homework ruse apply?) Second, it would seem you’re being flat out lazy. I’ve provided the links w/ expert views & explanations on the veracity of Joseph’s fascimile’s. Read.


1,833 posted on 03/02/2008 8:40:02 AM PST by Reno232
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To: Reno232
Re. The papyri were in that Chicago museum for all the world to see for some time, & Joseph’s translation was never discredited.

It is unclear if the Chandler documents were ever displayed before the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 destroyed the Chicago Museum and all of its contents (the scrolls were sold to a private collector sometime before then). Further, it is not known to what extent Champollion's work concerning translation of hieroglyphic writing was available to scholars in the Midwest by the early 1870's. And, of course, there is no evidence the papyrus writings were ever examined by any qualified expert by then.

But all of that is immaterial. The simple truth is that in recent years, scholars did get a good look at the Chandler writings, and every single qualified individual agrees Joseph mistranslated every single character. Joseph's peepstone was no more accurate here than it was on his famous money digging expedition to Salem Massachusetts in 1836 (described HERE).

Re. We don’t have a known original of the Bible either (does the same dog ate the homework ruse apply?)

A simple Google search turned up 700,000 sources affirming the faithful and accurate preservation of Bible manuscripts. I recommend you start HERE if you have any questions about their veracity.

Just as significant, there is no question concerning our ability to understand Biblical Greek and Hebrew. And thousands of scholars attest that modern English Bible translations (e.g. KJV, NKJV, NIV, ASV, etc.) do an excellent job of faithfully conveying the ideas and concepts set forth by the original writers of the documents.

Re. You’re being flat out lazy. I’ve provided the links w/ expert views & explanations on the veracity of Joseph’s fascimile’s. Read.

Sorry. As abundantly explained with annotations HERE your experts are dead wrong. Compare their vitae with those sources cited in your post. Then come back when you can locate somebody with similar credentials who is willing to back your position.

Finally: Returning to an earlier topic, can you refute any of the statements made in this POST concerning the lack of credibility of LDS sources vs. the anti-Mormon Tanners?
1,846 posted on 03/02/2008 11:35:20 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: Reno232
First of all, the papyri were in that Chicago museum for all the world to see for some time, & Joseph’s translation was never discredited.

On Kolob - maybe.

On THIS planet - over and over!

1,931 posted on 03/03/2008 4:35:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno232; P-Marlowe
First of all, the papyri were in that Chicago museum for all the world to see for some time,

This is laughable if it wasn't so false and dishonest of a statement. The papyri was stored away in the museum archives and not on display. Had it been openly displayed, it would have been recognized far sooner.

Joseph’s translation was never discredited.

It was discredited almost from the start. By the year 1860 the science of Egyptology had advanced to the point where some people felt that it could be used to test Joseph Smith's ability as a translator. The printed facsimiles from the "Book of Abraham" were submitted to Egyptologist M. Theodule Deveria. Deveria not only accused Joseph Smith of making a false translation but also of altering the scenes shown in the facsimiles. Key point of fact was that 'books of breathing' were VERY common, so common that the alterations were immediately noticeable. By 1912 multiple true Egyptologists had shown that Smiths interpretation of Facsimilies 1, 2 and 3 were completly wrong and spurious.

I’ve provided the links w/ expert views & explanations on the veracity of Joseph’s fascimile’s. Read.

Those links are from worthless sources. How about providing REAL Egyptologists huh?

1,980 posted on 03/03/2008 8:30:12 AM PST by Godzilla (Have you laughed at a liberal today?)
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