| This thread has been locked, it will not receive new replies. |
|
Locked on 03/03/2008 9:42:54 AM PST by Religion Moderator, reason:
Childish behavior |
Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
Perhaps any one where you claim I admit that it is okay to molest a child? Get over it!
And you claim it was consummated? Prove it!
LOL!
Twisting again? Defenseless? Yes, you are.
I didn’t leave anything out. Why are you calling me names?
It is unclear if the Chandler documents were ever displayed before the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 destroyed the Chicago Museum and all of its contents (the scrolls were sold to a private collector sometime before then). Further, it is not known to what extent Champollion's work concerning translation of hieroglyphic writing was available to scholars in the Midwest by the early 1870's. And, of course, there is no evidence the papyrus writings were ever examined by any qualified expert by then.But all of that is immaterial. The simple truth is that in recent years, scholars did get a good look at the Chandler writings, and every single qualified individual agrees Joseph mistranslated every single character. Joseph's peepstone was no more accurate here than it was on his famous money digging expedition to Salem Massachusetts in 1836 (described HERE).
Re. We don’t have a known original of the Bible either (does the same dog ate the homework ruse apply?)
A simple Google search turned up 700,000 sources affirming the faithful and accurate preservation of Bible manuscripts. I recommend you start HERE if you have any questions about their veracity.Just as significant, there is no question concerning our ability to understand Biblical Greek and Hebrew. And thousands of scholars attest that modern English Bible translations (e.g. KJV, NKJV, NIV, ASV, etc.) do an excellent job of faithfully conveying the ideas and concepts set forth by the original writers of the documents.
Re. You’re being flat out lazy. I’ve provided the links w/ expert views & explanations on the veracity of Joseph’s fascimile’s. Read.
Sorry. As abundantly explained with annotations HERE your experts are dead wrong. Compare their vitae with those sources cited in your post. Then come back when you can locate somebody with similar credentials who is willing to back your position.Finally: Returning to an earlier topic, can you refute any of the statements made in this POST concerning the lack of credibility of LDS sources vs. the anti-Mormon Tanners?
LOLOL! You are funny today, omm!
And you claim it was consummated? Prove it!
_____________________________________________
Josep-hy Smith spent the night with each of his “wives”...
many of the instances are well documented...
By law the privacy of the bedroom is regarded as commummation..
And I doubt if lust driven Joseph Smith was just playing Tiddly-Winks..
Josep-hy should be Joseph...
commummation should be consummation..
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The mormons are obsessed with Joseph Smith’s sexual sins...
How anyone can believe this nonsense is simply beyond me. I can see that the Mormons WANT TO BELIEVE it, and will go to every length to prove to themselves that what is there, isn't really there, and what isn't there really is there.
They've made up their minds. Don't confuse them with the facts.
Used to be there was a cult in Illinois who took the four corners of the earth language in the Bible literally. They went so far as to offer a $100,000 prize to anyone who could prove to their satisfaction the earth was round, not flat. Last I heard (about 20 years ago), no one had yet been able to claim the prize.
Examples of other religious nonsense abound. Some are tragic such as the Heaven's Gate people jumping out of their earth suits or Muslims blowing infidels to bits. Others are humorous such as Hare Krishna's donning orange bathrobes, smearing white chicken-dung paint on their foreheads, hopping about, and chanting.
But they all have two things in common: (1) every one of them prayed and got a warm fuzzy feeling that told them they were right; and (2) according to Biblical Scripture, they followed false prophets and were lost.
Ya I know. Its just that I don't know how to quit you.
“One area that is important is Hugh Nibley’s research on this. Incidentally, this research of Dr. Nibley’s was what Klaus Baer (Nibley’s instructor in Egyptian) said was a delight and a necessity for upcoming Egyptologists to read. This was Nibley’s serial articles in the Improvement Era, 1968-1970, “A New Look at the Pearl of Great Price.” Boyd Jay Petersen has also written about this situation in his biography of Hugh Nibley, “Hugh Nibley: A Consecrated Life,” by Boyd Jay Petersen, Greg Kofford Books, 2002: 313-334; 397-405”.
“Then reading Dr. Nibley’s materials “A New Look at the Pearl of Great Price,” of which writings Klaus Baer himself, one of the translators of the Joseph Smith Papyri, said was delightful and probably ought to be a mandatory read for upcoming and budding Egyptologists. He was very impressed with Nibley’s work.
You’ll also find a wonderful debate w/ a professional Egyptologist found at:
http://www2.ida.net/graphics/shirtail/ponderin.htm
Sorry, not only I, but I would dare say Dr. Baer as well, would put up Nibley’s credentials against those you have cited any day of the week. Some of those “experts” cited by the Tanners & others have been shown to be totally fraudulent in that in some cases, they didn’t have a degree for their research yet presented themselves as experts.
I can see where you’re going w/ the rest of your inquiry & would refer you to:
http://en.fairmormon.org/First_Vision_accounts
for answers to these as well as the others that are undoubtedly to come. Many of these answers have already been gone over ad nauseum in this forum & even on this thread.
It is quite obvious that a rational, reasoned discussion w/ you is not possible, therefore, the sandbox is yours. I wish you a wonderful Sabbath.
You may be interested to learn Dr. Nibley's credibility was seriously damaged when he initially authenticated Joseph Smith's translation of an Egyptian papyrus which was put forth as the Book of Abraham.
The award winning documentary, The Lost Book of Abraham, shown HERE, cites a number of prominent scholars who disagree with Smith and Nibley. Dr. Robert K. Ritner, Professor of Egyptology at the University of Chicago, is cited most frequently in the film and takes an unequivocal position denying the validity of Smith's purported translation. I invite you to review Dr. Ritner's vitae HERE.Dr. Nibley's credibility took another blow when, as explained HERE, he authenticated the Anthon Transcript, a sheet of paper believed to contain copies of the characters which appeared on the gold plates of the Book of Mormon. This document was later proven to be fabricated by Mark Hofmann.Interestingly, as noted HERE and HERE, Dr. Nibley would later recant much of his endorsement, but the damage to his reputation was done.
Dr. Nibley made other pronouncements which impaired his value as a Mormon apologist. For example, in 1947 he published the following demonstrably false statement:
Yet of all churches in the world only [the Mormon Church] has not found it necessary to readjust any part of its doctrine in the last hundred years. – Hugh Nibley, No, Ma'am, That's Not History, page 46.Still other examples of Dr. Nibley's lack of discernment can be found HERE.
In light of the above, you would probably be better served in future posts by not citing Dr. Nibley as an established expert.
Re. Some of those “experts” cited by the Tanners & others have been shown to be totally fraudulent in that in some cases, they didn’t have a degree for their research yet presented themselves as experts.
Would you please name just one example and provide supporting citations?
Finally: Returning to an earlier topic, can you refute any of the statements made in this POST concerning the lack of credibility of LDS sources vs. the anti-Mormon Tanners?
This calls for a vote!
Your comment got me thinking about what exactly was Joseph's biggest fraud. I propose we vote to determine the best of the worst. My nominees are:
I didn’t notice the specious doctrine of baptism for dead people ... which of course presumes that ALL of Christianity was a failed system until Joe Smith came along to restore it to authority, so Mormons get baptised for the dead hoping to ‘git er dun’ for all the poor souls who trusted in Jesus for Salvation but could not get it until Joe re-established the authority to baptism to finish salvation. For THAT one, Smith will enjoy extreme temps for eternity, IMHO. [I reference the Books of Romans, Galatians and Ephesians]
Lavina Fielding Anderson, editor of the Journal of Mormon History, wrote, "I was shocked and disgusted to discover that Joseph Smith married a fourteen-year-old girl, fully consummated that marriage, and concealed it from Emma. My image of "prophet" did not accommodate this kind of behavior. I could not begin to find holy motives for such behavior" ("The Garden God Hath Planted: Explorations Toward a Maturing Faith," Sunstone, October 1990, pp. 26-27).
I am sorry that you are still sensitive about posting that polygamous marriage with teenage girls was not child abuse (see posts #88, 89, 1033 and 1037).
It just ain't going away...no matter how much you protest.
Where did Joseph Smith reveal the translation about the canopic jars?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.