FLDS Parents Could Face Charges for Abandoning their "Lost Boys"

KCPW News ^ | February 14, 2008

[Zakeet]

They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.

"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."

H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.

"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."

Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.

[Elsie]

Glad to know there is always an idiot out there that thinks he knows what I think.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool; than to type away and remove all doubt."

(Honest Abe PROBABLY would say THIS if he were alive today.)

[Elsie]

In short, the dogmas of orthodoxy have become an idol to many Christians.

In short, the dogmas of orthodoxy have become strawmen for ALL Mormons.

[Elsie]

Skimming through a few, many seem to be obsessed with Joseph Smith and polygamy, or even polyandry.

DUH!

Look at the TITLE!

[Elsie]

We’ve been down this road before. It’s the same thing over and by the same people over and over, besmirching a man who is not here to defend himself or his spirituality and prophetic calling.

Sorry 7, but HISTORY records facts, and THEY 'besmirch' your Glorious Founder (PBUH) who has left plenty of Followers who CAN try to cover up (or ignore) the data; but are doing a REAL poor job of it!

[Elsie]

Learn the kind of fruit that is on the tree...

Pretty fruit; rotten root.

[Elsie]

Won’t it be oosp for the Trinity folks find out they held on to a lie of the description in the Nicene Creed of the Godhead!

 

This is the CREED of the COJSOLDS.

 

 

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor, in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

 

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

 

[Elsie]

From the opening scene to the closing, it was a tight and focused script, with the main message being that the most important choice we have to make in this life is whether or not we will accept Christ as our Savior, and the fact that this one choice alone will determine where we will spend eternity.

Unlike...

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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

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"If I ever pass into heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of Prophet Joseph"
--Brigham Young
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

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[Elsie]

Using high-tech surveillance from satellites through a sophisticated chip implant,

the Community Police Force infiltrates every facet of human existence,

tracing each physical and digital footprint left behind.

 

 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

[restornu]

You keep thinking this is a creed but it is not, Elsie can’t help himself.

[colorcountry]

A story passed down of Brigham Young on one of his visits to Southern Utah. He met a young boy walking down the street, stopped and talked with him for a few minutes. Then he said, “You are a nice little boy. Who is your father?”
The boy replied, “Brigham Young!”

[tantiboh]

~”Ignoring the context and other thigs offered in the post you lifted from is getting to be a rather telling methodology, Mormon.”~

You’re telling me.

Truth is, MHG, I’m trying out a new tactic: application of the Golden Rule. If the anti-Mormon can take my faith’s doctrine out of context and misrepresent our explanations of it, then I can do the same thing to them.

For example, when I’m told that I worship a different Jesus than that of the Bible by reason of that old brother-of-Lucifer canard, then I feel perfectly justified in returning the favor and accusing the person of worshiping a different Jesus than that of the Bible by reason of the uncaring, unmerciful, unjust, and unloving attributes of that bastardized from of Jesus that is preached by much of orthodox Christianity.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If you’re to be the decrier of ignoring context, I suggest you tend to your own house first.

[tantiboh]

~”Is that your last word?”~

Hardly. But it might be a good place to pause.

[greyfoxx39]

You have always applied an even hand in your moderation of these discussions. I hope that continues into the future.

I, for one am happy to see even-handed treatment by the moderator on these threads, and encourage those on both sides of the debate to keep in mind the fact that "making it personal" leads to the threads being locked and the loss to many lurkers of the valuable information that comes from these discussions when threads go inactive and are moved into limbo.

Many FReepers on both sides spend time in research and preparation of these posts, and locked or pulled threads do not result in good use of their research time. I believe it is valuable to us all to see that the threads are not locked, as new information becomes available at times that would fit into one or more of these specific threads.

I, personally have posts deleted on occasion, and it makes me try harder to keep the tone of MY posts impersonal. I don't always succeed. I HAVE found it helpful to preview my post with the specific intent of whether it can be considered "making it personal" and making changes in tone before posting.

The Religion Moderator has valuable guidelines HERE and I frequently visit the page just to refresh my understanding of the Religion forum rules.

This is an example of RMs guidelines that I feel is specific to many threads I visit: There will be people on the forum who are anti- your confession whether anti-Christian, anti-Calvinist, anti-Catholic, anti-Protestant, anti-Mormon, anti-Atheist, anti-Scientologist and so on. As long as they are arguing for their position on an “Open” thread – and are not using hate mongering material such as the false “oath for Knights of Columbus” or Jack Chick cartoons – and are otherwise abiding by the guidelines, their challenges will be tolerated.

Thanks, moderator for your efforts and diligence.

[Old Mountain man]

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Old Mountain man]

You should have taken your own advice long ago. You have removed all doubt.

[pby]

Glad to know there is always an idiot out there that thinks he knows what I think.

I don't think I know what you think...I know what you think because you posted what you think, in post #89, relative to polygamous marriage involving teenage wives (leaving no doubt what you actually think). Here is what you posted Old Mountain man:

"If you are equating plural marriage with child abuse, I would recommend that you find a good therapist. Any person that cannot see the difference is either insane or an idiot." (Old Mountain man, post #89 concerning plural marriages with teenage girls, which was in response to post #88 concerning plural marriage with teenage girls)

And...I see that you still refuse to actually answer the simple and direct questions related to polygamous marriage being abusive to teenage girls and to adult women.

Your lame attempts to deflect the direct questions makes your support of polygamy that much more obvious. The more ridiculous your deflection (like the last one in this post)...the more obvious it becomes.

So...in that light, thank you for answering the questions and affirming that you do not consider polygamous marriage, with teenage girls, to constitute child abuse; And that... You do not consider polygamous marriage with adult women to be abusive; And that...you do not think that Joseph Smith committed child abuse in his polygamous marriage involving teenage girls.

(Would you have destroyed the Expositor's printing press, as well?)

[Osage Orange]

My intent is solely to invite MHG to raise the level of discourse above that of puerile wordplay.

Tant...you are a hoot.

Accusing others of that which you are a silver tongued master.........

Frankly I admire it, in a weird sort of way.

Carry on.....: )

[Elsie]

You keep thinking this is a creed but it is not, Elsie can’t help himself.

The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor, in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.

Sorry Sweetie; but this is the very definition of a CREED.

[Elsie]

...keep in mind the fact that "making it personal" leads to the threads being locked and the loss to many lurkers of the valuable information...

HMmmm...

Just which side would benefit from THIS???

[Elsie]

And yet; when some folks have a chance to press the mute button; they get the ^VOLUME one instead!