Posted on 02/22/2008 7:11:29 AM PST by Alex Murphy
Obviously, not all those who have read the “Nicene Creed” or carry it around with them agree with the fact that God is one Power, 3 distinct personalities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, a Triune God.
Believing anything different makes it into a polytheistic religion. And I worship One God: the eternal I AM.
You don’t know what integrity is.
Well, we believe they are three acting as one. In perfect unity.
And you also believe that god the father has a goddess wife with whom he created Jesus and Lucifer.
Hence the HUGE MACRO disparity between the Jesus, creature, you worship and the Jesus the Christ, without beginning and without end, Creator, I worship.
Oh yes I do. It just makes me sick to my stomach to think of some faithful Mormon woman going out of her way to visit you, not knowing how malicious you are, and that you are sneering at and maligning everything she believes in. How does your conscience let you continue to do that? Why don’t you just tell the Church how you really feel and have your name removed from the rolls? Or do you think you can do more damage by remaining nominally a Mormon? Kind of like “Catholics for a Free Choice?”
We believe that God the Father is the father of all our spiritual bodies, that’s true. (We’ve never had an official doctrine to my knowledge about a “mother in heaven,” but it makes sense.) But we also believe that before we had spiritual bodies, we will existed in some form. Sometimes it is referred to as intelligences, and that intelligences are co-eternal with God.
But that's not in Scripture, yet you take that as fact.
The closest thing that I know of in Scripture concerns God's knowledge and plan for those whom He would later create, not that they previously existed until creation but in His own mind:
"Now the word of the Lord came to me saying, 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I haw appointed you a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:5)
"For whom He foreknew He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-horn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29).
It’s in our additional scripture — modern day revelation — which I know you don’t believe, so I don’t expect you to accept it. I’m just telling you what we believe. I’m not debating.
What I don’t get is how you can dismiss/discard established Scriptures, which say not to add to or take away from Scriptures and so easily replace it with someone who claims what he’s added is “right,” even though it contradicts what was established Scripture.
And then you say, that’s okay because HE said established Scripture was found to be “wrong.”
So, according to that philosophy, EVERYTHING he says must be RIGHT.
But when what he’s said was proven wrong, he’s still right....because you believe he’s still right.
This lady, and she is younger than me by the way, knows exactly how I feel. She wants to share her message with me, and I let her.
That, my dear is integrity.
Did something in the message I posted spur you into such a tirade? What did I do or say that suggested you are free to impugn my integrity?
We don’t believe it does contradict scripture. We believe it illuminates the Bible. You must admit that the Bible is ambiguous on many points. Otherwise you wouldn’t have so many different Christian sects. Heck, the Bible is ambiguous on the nature of God. That’s why they had to have the Councils of Nicea.
So as far as belief in “established scripture,” the question has to be, “Whose interpretation of established scripture.”
It’s well established that the “don’t add anything” language in Revelations, just like the same language in Deuteronomy, refers to that book, itself. Many of the books of the New Testament were written after Revelations.
Sometimes I think we Mormons are the only ones who really do believe in the Bible. We are the only ones who believe that God still sends us prophets, just like in the Bible. I think it’s a whole lot easier to say you believe in prophets from a distance of thousands of years, than to say you still believe that God deals with us in the same way that he did in the Bible.
I believe it because I have asked for spiritual confirmation, and I have received it at various times, usually depending on my obedience to the commandments.
I also believe it because I know as a person who makes her living writing, that the Book of Mormon could not have been written by Joseph Smith. He was a barely literate farmboy who dicated the book in about two months, in one draft. But it is rich and complex, internally consistent, and full of details that have since been confirmed, but which he could not possibly have known about. In the last 20 years, the anti-Mormon seminar people have had to continually revise their talking points as evidence of the Book of Mormon has been discovered.
I also believe it because its fruits in my life have been unambiguously good.
But, I know I won’t convince you of anything. You just asked, so I told you.
Sometime when I’m at home where I have my great-grandfather’s autobiography handy, I’ll quote you some of it. He was a part-time Methodist preacher in South Africa who knew the Bible backwards and forward. He recognized Mormonism and Mormon doctrine as a fulfillment of the Bible. It helped him understand it better. He recognized it as the “restoration” of the church established by Christ, which he and his fellow Methodists believed was required. I think this particular doctrine of Protestantism has since been suppressed.
I repeat the question. If you don’t believe it — if you hate it as you have previously admitted that you do — why do you stay on the Church rolls? Integrity means that your actions and your beliefs are in sync with each other.
I also seriously doubt that your visiting teacher has seen some of the garbage that you post on FR, or has any real idea of how hard you work to hurt the church.
You actually don’t know if I am on the Church rolls or not.
I’m just assuming that you are since your ward is still sending you a visiting teacher. Why won’t you say whether you are?
Of course it doesn’t embarrass me. I did my visiting teaching last night and delivered the same message.
So have you done the right thing and had your name taken off the rolls?
Amen. From the time we are in Primary, we give talks and participate in meetings. I was taught when reading the Bible, Book of Mormon, etc that when the word ‘he’ was mentioned, I was to consider that applied to both sexes (in most cases.) It never bothered me. Plus I grew up in a home where my mother was valued. That example has always showed me that I can do anything.
My Bishop told me to tell you, “it’s none of your business.”
It’s killin ya, isn’t it? :-D
Are you a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? If not, how are we still ‘second class citizens’ in the church? We’re not. We have different roles in life than men do. Not worse, not better, just different.
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