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To: WileyPink; Salvation; NYer; xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Pyro7480; PetroniusMaximus; Coleus; ...
Don't pray for me to your gods and mary and your pope or your dead saints!

In my opinion, the catholic church is of Satan and the pope is the antichrist.

Tell you what, while you're at it, why not sprinkle some water on me. I sure that will do as much good as praying for me to the dead gods and people that you are praying to.

You know I must say that I have been in a great many debates on here with my Protestant brothers in Christ. There are a number of Evangelicals with whom I am in complete agreement on every issue except certain differences between Protestantism and Catholicism. They know where I stand and I know where they stand. I have zero doubts that they are true Christians and that their Salvation is assured and I would like to think that they feel the same about me.

However, in all of our debates, I have NEVER seen any of them use the type of rhetoric I see here, because if I did, I would have a very difficult time even being cordial with them on other threads. I've seen people join FR, both Catholic and Protestant, who are so militantly myopic that they soon ostracize themselves even from those who agree with them and I must say that it is pathetic to watch.

21 posted on 02/19/2008 1:24:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Salvation
Hey, y'all, I have a sincere question ... it's not a "gotcha" question or anything, because I'm sure Catholics have thought through it and have a reasonable answer.

I was reading the Hahn's book, "Rome Sweet Home," and the question occurred to me ... how do Catholics explain Mary and the saints being able to hear and respond to thousands of prayers at one time?

With Christ Himself, it is not an issue, because of His divine nature ... but how about our brothers and sisters in Christ in heaven ... how can they listen to tens of thousands of prayers at once?

23 posted on 02/19/2008 1:43:17 PM PST by Oliver Optic
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To: wagglebee; WileyPink
You know I must say that I have been in a great many debates on here with my Protestant brothers in Christ. There are a number of Evangelicals with whom I am in complete agreement on every issue except certain differences between Protestantism and Catholicism. They know where I stand and I know where they stand. I have zero doubts that they are true Christians and that their Salvation is assured and I would like to think that they feel the same about me.

I'm a Protestant in the Reformation tradition - Presbyterian to the core. What WileyPink posted makes me sick to my stomach. Any Protestant who thinks Catholics are satanic (or vice versa, for that matter) simply hasn't spent enough time around truly different religions.

I would submit this question: When the bullets are flying, would you rather have a Catholic (or a Protestant, for the Catholics reading this) in the foxhole with you, or a Muslim? Whose prayers would you rather have going up next to yours - a fellow Christian's or a Hindu's?

28 posted on 02/19/2008 1:56:12 PM PST by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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To: wagglebee

“You know I must say that I have been in a great many debates on here with my Protestant brothers in Christ. There are a number of Evangelicals with whom I am in complete agreement on every issue except certain differences between Protestantism and Catholicism. They know where I stand and I know where they stand. I have zero doubts that they are true Christians and that their Salvation is assured and I would like to think that they feel the same about me.”

I certainly hope that is more true than I often see here.

It seems standard OP on FR much of the time for alot of vitriol to be directed both at Catholics and Mormons (please excuse if you have great objections to the latter especially). And I mean vitriol. While I don’t see enough threads, I have yet to see that heavy and endemic vitriol hurled in other Christian directions.

As a Lutheran who was raised by a Catholic, and still is pretty wishy-washy either way, I have alot of respect for the latter. In fact Lutheranism being the 1st Protestant church still holds to alot of ways of the Catholics. So I guess maybe my opinion doesn’t count.

Bottom line, I just don’t see the need for all the hatred. I can see disagreements, but I don’t understand people acting as if Catholics were Buddhists or (gasp) Moslems.


30 posted on 02/19/2008 2:02:04 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: wagglebee; WileyPink; Salvation; NYer; xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Pyro7480; ...
the catholic church is of Satan and the pope is the antichrist.

I do not believe that the RCatholic Church is of Satan and that the Pope is the antichrist.

I never have, and I consider it a poor reading of scripture to come to such a conclusion.

Mystery Babylon will find power in Rome, but it will be a new, Occultic, Post-Christian pagan perversion of the Bride of Christ.

The anti-Christ will be an individual and not an office.

40 posted on 02/19/2008 2:53:20 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: wagglebee

Agree with your last sentence here. I still maintain that prayers are needed.


76 posted on 02/19/2008 5:38:41 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: wagglebee
However, in all of our debates, I have NEVER seen any of them use the type of rhetoric I see here, because if I did, I would have a very difficult time even being cordial with them on other threads.

You jumped on this wagon. Next time, don't!

You and your kind are not cordial to me now, why should this change anything?

Acts 18:9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.

In Christ...Alone!

78 posted on 02/19/2008 5:41:06 PM PST by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b)
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