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To: Terriergal
We may win small political battles, but overall we are promised the culture is going south.

What can I say, except that I disagree with you that the Bible ever says this.

I'll throw you a bone here - if Christians are not called to/incapable of redeeming the culture about them, then IMO you are correct in holding a Premil vision of the future, holding out the hope of being raptured/rescued as the means of escaping your current predicament, and in ridiculing us Postmils for believing in (and devoting resources to) doing otherwise. But likewise, if we Reformed Postmils are correct in believing we're called to (and promised to be successful in, long-term) redeem the culture, then IMO we're correct in chastising your side for being retreatist and defeatist (allowing the culture to slide further away from God), and for promoting failure as God's reward for any church growth.

If you're going to start labelling postmils "Dominionists" again, Terriergal, you might as well place me on that list also. And then drop me from all the other lists you have me on.

69 posted on 02/15/2008 12:19:17 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Alex Murphy

I don’t know how the end times will play out except we are not called to redeem culture, but to preach the gospel. All these groups intent on ‘redeeming culture’ are not preaching the gospel.


72 posted on 02/15/2008 12:23:22 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Alex Murphy

I didn’t say anything about postmils. But those who think we as Christians can redeem culture are dominionist and ignorant of Scripture.


73 posted on 02/15/2008 12:24:38 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Alex Murphy

Would you define yourself as a dominionist? In my understanding that would be someone who believes that the world is going to get better and better until Jesus returns. In fact, some dominists claim that he CAN’T come back until we improve.


76 posted on 02/15/2008 12:29:26 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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