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To: Terriergal; farmer18th
We are not called to transform culture. We are called to preach the gospel.

And what do you think happens, when people start obeying God after receiving the Gospel, Terriergal?

36 posted on 02/15/2008 9:19:38 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Alex Murphy
Alex, how can you transform culture when we are told 'enter by the narrow gate' and 'FEW there be that find it.'?

We may win small political battles, but overall we are promised the culture is going south. The battle belongs to the Lord.

Satan can also transform culture, and much more effectively:

What would things look like if Satan actually took over a city? The first frames in our imaginative slide show probably depict mayhem on a massive scale: Widespread violence, deviant sexualities, pornography in every vending machine, churches closed down and worshipers dragged off to City Hall. Over a half-century ago, Donald Grey Barnhouse, pastor of Philadelphia's Tenth Presbyterian Church, gave his CBS radio audience a different picture of what it would look like if Satan took control of a town in America. He said that all of the bars and pool halls would be closed, pornography banished, pristine streets and sidewalks would be occupied by tidy pedestrians who smiled at each other. There would be no swearing. The kids would answer "Yes, sir," "No, ma'am," and the churches would be full on Sunday ... where Christ is not preached.

Not to be alarmist, but it looks a lot like Satan is in charge right now. The enemy has a subtle way of using even the proper scenery and props to obscure the main character. The church, mission, cultural transformation, even the Spirit can become the focus instead of the means for "fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb. 12:2).

42 posted on 02/15/2008 10:19:13 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Alex Murphy

oops that was from

http://www.modernreformation.org/default.php?page=articledisplay&var1=ArtRead&var2=1&var3=main


43 posted on 02/15/2008 10:19:47 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Alex Murphy; Terriergal
We are not called to transform culture. We are called to preach the gospel.
And what do you think happens, when people start obeying God after receiving the Gospel, Terriergal?

There's an assumed step in the middle there that isn't stated: That preaching the Gospel will cause people to receive it. That's up to God in His sovereignty, not man in his eloquence or even obedience.

Jeremiah & Ezekiel were obedient to preach what God told them to, but they saw no repentence let alone social change to the good. Jonah preached it to the Ninevites for all the wrong reasons, and they repented. In both cases God's will is done and He is gloried.

Absolutely we are responsible to preach the Gospel as we've been commanded. But we are not responsible for how it is received or rejected.

93 posted on 02/16/2008 5:53:05 AM PST by Cyrano ("To throw that bag away, madness!" "But what a gesture...")
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To: Alex Murphy

What verse tells us to transform the culture?

A transformed culture is the natural outcome of people living Christian faith in loving God and others as ourselves, but I don’t see any call in the bible to transform culture.


133 posted on 04/21/2008 11:28:11 AM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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