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To: tortdog; colorcountry
We teach that we should worship no other gods then the God of Abraham. Sounds montheistic to me. Have you ever heard the LDS worship or pray to any other gods?

Well, it gets real confusin' for Mormons.

How many (true) gods are worshiped in the Bible? (One according to Jews & Christians)

How many (true) gods are worshiped in the Book of Mormon? (Two according to the Mormon definition of Heavenly Father and Jesus being two separate gods).

How many (true) gods are worshiped according to their LDS apostle's "Mormon Doctrine" 1966 book? (Three according to the Mormon definition of Heavenly Father and Jesus and the Holy Ghost being three separate gods): "Three separate personages--the Father, Son and Holy Ghost--comprise the Godhead...To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the only gods we worship." (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 567-577, 1966 edition)

Oh, wait a minute. (I should have kept reading). McConkie, on p. 848, only emphasizes worshiping two gods: "The Father and the Son are the objects of all true worship....No one can worship the Father without also worshiping the Son....It is proper to worship the Father, in the name of the Son, and also to worship the Son" (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 848).

Oh, wait. McConkie changes his mind by 1982, when he gives a devo @ BYU (March 2, 1982, "Our Relationship with the Lord") Essentially, McConkie wasn't happy with either his "3" god or "2" god worship. So he came up with a kind of 1 1/2-god worship:

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense--the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.

His only problem is that neither the Bible (example God tells the angels to worship Him in Heb. 1:6) and even the Book of Mormon know of either a reserved for-the-Father-only worship. (Nor does the BoM recognize "applause" worship like McConkie prescribed to later in his life...see, for example, 2 Nephi 25:29 below). From the Book of Mormon:

4 Nephi 4:37: Therefore the true believers in Christ, and the true worshipers of Christ, (among whom were the three disciples of Jesus who should tarry) were called Nephites, and Jacobites, and Josephites, and Zoramites.

2 Nephi 25:29 And now behold, I say unto you that the right way is to believe in Christ, and deny him not; and Christ is the Holy One of Israel; wherefore ye must bow down before him, and worship him with all your might, mind, and strength, and your whole soul; and if ye do this ye shall in nowise be cast out.

3 Nephi 11:17 Hosanna! Blessed be the name of the Most High God! And they did fall down at the feet of Jesus, and did worship him.

3 Nephi 17:10 And they did all, both they who had been healed and they who were whole, bow down at his feet, and did worship him;

Back to the BYU 1982 devo. LDS leaders already discount praying directly to Jesus, despite some disciple characters who repeatedly pray directly to Jesus in the Book of Mormon (3 Nephi 19:16-30). Note how McConkie wrapped up his 1982 devo in which he told folks NOT to seek a special intimate relationship with Jesus:

"Now I sincerely hope that no one will imagine that I have in the slightest degree downgraded the Lord Jesus in the scheme of things. I have not done so. As far as I know there is not a man on earth who thinks more highly of him than I do. It just may be that I have preached more sermons, taught more doctrine, and written more words about the Lord Jesus Christ than any man now living. I have ten large volumes in print, seven of which deal almost entirely with Christ, and the other three with him and his doctrines."

Translation of McConkie: "Let's see, now. We worship the Father only...we pray to the Father only...we don't seek a special relationship with Jesus...Nope, no 'downgrade' of Christ in my mind, right? Why, in my humble opinion, I think more of Christ than any man alive! In fact, if I may be so modest, 'It just may be that I have preached more sermons, taught more doctrine, and written more words about the Lord Jesus Christ than any man now living.' Obviously, I've exported a lot of commentary on the man!"

170 posted on 02/13/2008 9:56:21 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; tortdog; colorcountry
We teach that we should worship no other gods then the God of Abraham. Sounds montheistic to me. Have you ever heard the LDS worship or pray to any other gods?

Without question, Mormons are polytheistic

You may want to check out this cartoon presenting Mormon Beliefs. Then, you may want to bear in mind the following:

  1. As explained with annotations HERE, the Mormon Church teaches God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three separate deities.

  2. The Mormon Church also teaches our God (whom they call "Heavenly Father") is actually a third generation being who ascended into godhood. He necessarily descended from "Heavenly Parents" who were themselves gods.

  3. The Mormon Church further teaches of the existence of a "Heavenly Mother" who is married to God and is the mother of both Jesus and Lucifer.

  4. Mormons themselves ascribe to become gods through good works. In the words of their famous couplet:

    As man now is, God once was. As God now is, man may become.

  5. Finally, the Mormon Church teaches Mormonism is polytheistic. You can see several dozen annotations of this doctrine HERE.

In light of the above, it is silly to argue Mormonism is monotheistic in any form or fashion.
174 posted on 02/13/2008 11:31:17 PM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: Colofornian
What you confirm is that we worship the Father in the name of the Son. That there are three personages is true, but it does not alter who is the Father.

The Jewish criticism of early Christians for claiming that both the Father and the Son are gods was what caused the trinity theory to be debated and crafted. The theory is extra-biblical and denies the plain evidence of separate personages at Christ’s baptism and in other passages.

177 posted on 02/14/2008 4:14:14 AM PST by tortdog
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To: Colofornian
"Three separate personages--the Father, Son and Holy Ghost--comprise the Godhead...To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the only gods we worship." (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 567-577, 1966 edition)

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Haven't we TOLD you about using FACTS to try to give your scandalous remarks a touch of veracity?

You KNOW that these words are NOT found in ANY of our Scripture!

--MormonDude(They may in the future; for we are ALWAYS ready for new words from GOD.)

194 posted on 02/14/2008 5:24:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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