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To: Antoninus
Why is St. Peter's Basilica on the Vatican Hill? Do you know?

Vatican Hill was a pagan cemetery and contained the bones of Simon Magus who was known by the Romans of the first century as "Simoni deo Sancto", the holy god, Simon. You will read this in Justin's first apology. Simon was revered by the Romans, treated like a god and had many converts to his Babylonian style Christianity. He even had a statue erected in his honor and it was still standing in the second century when Justin Martyr wrote about him.

He was known as Simon "Pator". In the ancient religions of Greece, Rome, Egypt and Babylon gods were often given the name of Peter, Pator, Petra or some derivative of that. This is where the false tradition of Simon Peter being in Rome originated. If you read Justin (152 A.D.) you will find no mention of the Apostle Peter (Simon Peter) ever being in or about Rome. Like I said....folks later on confused this issue with the fact that "Simon Pator" Magus [Acts 8] had heavily influenced the Roman Populace. They called themselves Christians but it was a blend of Babylonian paganism and Christianity.....and it still exists today!

I'm sure this is one of the main reasons the Basilica was built there.....don't you think?

77 posted on 02/07/2008 8:56:44 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
This is where the false tradition of Simon Peter being in Rome originated. If you read Justin (152 A.D.) you will find no mention of the Apostle Peter (Simon Peter) ever being in or about Rome.

But wait! That's not in SCRIPTURE!!!!! So, de facto (according to your non-scriptual notion) it can't be true.

You guys are really funny. You cite non-scriptual passages freely when they appear to support your notions, but reject them as "non-scriptural" when they support the Catholic/Orthodox position. How convenient!

Try reading this: St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles

Scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page to the header: IV. ACTIVITY AND DEATH IN ROME; BURIAL PLACE. Here, you will find the following passage, among several others, which establish the ministry and martyrdom of St. Peter in Rome beyond any reasonable doubt:

"St. Peter's First Epistle was written almost undoubtedly from Rome, since the salutation at the end reads: "The church that is in Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you: and so doth my son Mark" (5:13). Babylon must here be identified with the Roman capital; since Babylon on the Euphrates, which lay in ruins, or New Babylon (Seleucia) on the Tigris, or the Egyptian Babylon near Memphis, or Jerusalem cannot be meant, the reference must be to Rome, the only city which is called Babylon elsewhere in ancient Christian literature (Revelation 17:5; 18:10; "Oracula Sibyl.", V, verses 143 and 159, ed. Geffcken, Leipzig, 1902, 111)."

Not even the early heretics, who hated the Papacy every bit as much as you do, had the audacity to claim that Peter was never in Rome and didn't die there. This was a product of later anti-Catholic scholarship, most recently seized upon by popularlizing bigots like Dan Brown.

There's a commandment about bearing false witness. By your statements here, you have broken it. When you put aside your irrational hatred and return to the true Church, you may confess it to a holy priest given the power to bind and loose by Christ Himself, and it will be forgiven you.
83 posted on 02/08/2008 7:40:09 AM PST by Antoninus (Looks like 2008 could be McCain vs. Hussein.)
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To: Diego1618
If you read Justin (152 A.D.) you will find no mention of the Apostle Peter (Simon Peter) ever being in or about Rome.

Do you believe Justin when he writes this:

For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or Of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. -- Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, Chapter 33.

Do you believe him when he writes this:

For since you have read, O Trypho, as you yourself admitted, the doctrines taught by our Saviour, I do not think that I have done foolishly in adding some short utterances of His to the prophetic statements. Wash therefore, and be now clean, and put away iniquity from your souls, as God bids you be washed in this layer, and be circumcised with the true circumcision. For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,--namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us,--I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts? --Dialogue, Chapter 18.

Evidently, unlike Justin and the Church and the Prophet Ezekiel, you do not know for what reason sabbaths and feasts were imposed on Israel: "on account of their transgressions and hardness of heart".

86 posted on 02/08/2008 9:43:22 AM PST by Campion
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