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To: wideawake; dangus
The IRA is an example of a Marxist racial-nationalist movement.

Its goal is to rid Eire of the Sassenach and to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Exactly. Please see my post on the Scottish National Liberation army and John Maclane above.

Other leftist nationalist European movements exist among the Welsh (Plaid Cymru), the Bretons, the Cornish(???!!!), the Basques, the Castilians (what the h---?), the Greeks (the Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement) and probably the Manx as well.

Every nineteenth century nationalist movement, from Ireland to Armenia, was socialist. The "indigenous people" were oppressed by foreign devils who introduced foreign languages, religions, and economic systems (capitalism), and after the revolution the sacred mother soil would be ethnically purified, revert to the common ownership of the "children" who crawled out of her very bosom, and the indigenous religion (exempt from Marxian critique) restored.

The leftism of "the oppressed" is so different from the self-hating leftism of the West that one can legitimately ask if they are indeed the same ideology. In fact, I say they are not.

59 posted on 02/08/2008 8:03:41 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ("Venatata 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Other leftist nationalist European movements exist among the Welsh (Plaid Cymru), the Bretons, the Cornish(???!!!), the Basques, the Castilians (what the h---?), the Greeks (the Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement) and probably the Manx as well.

So true.

BTW, one of the UK's most respected underground techno artists - The Aphex Twin - is a Cornish nationalist. He titles many of his songs in Cornish.

The Cornish socialist/nationalist party is called Mebyon Kernow.

The leftism of "the oppressed" is so different from the self-hating leftism of the West that one can legitimately ask if they are indeed the same ideology. In fact, I say they are not.

I agree with you.

The socialist movements of the majority populations in Western nations are self-hating: they want to erase the majority culture and replace it, they find patriotism to be shameful, etc. While the socialism of minority Western populations and all non-Western populations is self-aggrandizing and boastful, usually containing an exaggerated historical framework about the greatness and nobility of its people and the horrible suffering they have been forced to endure.

The IRA, the ETA and the PLO are the prototype organizations for this nonsense.

This is why people who are clearly of the majority culture in the US all of a sudden develop a magical minority identity: they have visually undetectable native American ancestry, or they are now a Celt, or they are now a Melungeon, or a Huguenot. This feel-sorry-for-me-my-noble-ancestors-were-victims-of-oppression is a signal feature of the white Southern nationalist movement too, though its members don't like to admit it.

60 posted on 02/08/2008 8:21:42 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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