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To: Zionist Conspirator
Other leftist nationalist European movements exist among the Welsh (Plaid Cymru), the Bretons, the Cornish(???!!!), the Basques, the Castilians (what the h---?), the Greeks (the Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement) and probably the Manx as well.

So true.

BTW, one of the UK's most respected underground techno artists - The Aphex Twin - is a Cornish nationalist. He titles many of his songs in Cornish.

The Cornish socialist/nationalist party is called Mebyon Kernow.

The leftism of "the oppressed" is so different from the self-hating leftism of the West that one can legitimately ask if they are indeed the same ideology. In fact, I say they are not.

I agree with you.

The socialist movements of the majority populations in Western nations are self-hating: they want to erase the majority culture and replace it, they find patriotism to be shameful, etc. While the socialism of minority Western populations and all non-Western populations is self-aggrandizing and boastful, usually containing an exaggerated historical framework about the greatness and nobility of its people and the horrible suffering they have been forced to endure.

The IRA, the ETA and the PLO are the prototype organizations for this nonsense.

This is why people who are clearly of the majority culture in the US all of a sudden develop a magical minority identity: they have visually undetectable native American ancestry, or they are now a Celt, or they are now a Melungeon, or a Huguenot. This feel-sorry-for-me-my-noble-ancestors-were-victims-of-oppression is a signal feature of the white Southern nationalist movement too, though its members don't like to admit it.

60 posted on 02/08/2008 8:21:42 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
The socialist movements of the majority populations in Western nations are self-hating: they want to erase the majority culture and replace it, they find patriotism to be shameful, etc. While the socialism of minority Western populations and all non-Western populations is self-aggrandizing and boastful, usually containing an exaggerated historical framework about the greatness and nobility of its people and the horrible suffering they have been forced to endure.

Exactly! If I weren't so lazy (or felt better) I'd look up and link my old "First World vs. Third World leftism" thread.

This is why people who are clearly of the majority culture in the US all of a sudden develop a magical minority identity: they have visually undetectable native American ancestry, or they are now a Celt, or they are now a Melungeon, or a Huguenot.

Wideawake, I've known for some time that you are a polymath on the order of Aristotle, Sir Francis Bacon, or John Stewart Mill, an expert on everything from philosophy to theology to spittin' out rhymes on the street. But now you have me groveling in the dust at your feet. How many other people know who Melungeons are?

It's too bad the Cajuns of Louisiana are implicated in the Confederacy. There'd have been a Cajun National Liberation Army a long time ago!

This feel-sorry-for-me-my-noble-ancestors-were-victims-of-oppression is a signal feature of the white Southern nationalist movement too, though its members don't like to admit it.

This is very true. They also base their nationalism on Celtic identity--which means no sympathy for the one movement in the world most like theirs, the Orange Lodge of Northern Ireland, but they also play footsie with leftist movements like the Scottish National Party and Parti Quebecois. Plus their isolationism and protectionism proves they aren't real Confederates but, like "palaeolibertarianism," merely another modern creation of the "palaeo" right pretending to be something it's not.

The leftism of the Castilian separatist movement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Spain is as much a Castilian creation as Great Britain is an English creation. Yet while English nationalism is "rightwing," Castilianism is "leftwing."

61 posted on 02/08/2008 9:10:25 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ("Venatata 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.")
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