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'Find a way' to get out of public schools, says Baucham
One News Now ^ | 01/29/2008 | Rusty Pugh

Posted on 01/29/2008 1:53:39 PM PST by pray4liberty

Voddie Baucham advocates Christians pulling their children out of government-run schools. He has a response for those who say they can't afford private education or home-schooling -- find a way.

(Excerpt) Read more at onenewsnow.com ...


TOPICS: Activism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: activism; christians; education; homeschooling; publicschools; religion
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To: TruthConquers

all these people profiting from the incarceration of children for their financial benefit. It disgusts me.

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I know it makes a lot people mad here on Free Republic,,,BUT,,,self-proclaimed Christians ( thousands upon thousands of them government teachers) that aid, abet, assist, help, and push forward this pagan government indoctrination and incarceration of children disgust me MORE than than the non-Christians doing this!

Christians that would do this, disgust me! It disgusts me the most when Christian teachers expect to be respected and admired for it! (barf!)


21 posted on 01/29/2008 4:46:26 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: TruthConquers

We HATE NJ.

Hope to leave some day SOON!


22 posted on 01/29/2008 4:47:46 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: TruthConquers
The Public School Establishment is much like the Catholic Church in medieval England. The Church owned probably one-tenth of the kingdom. That is why Henry VIII got his way with his divorce: he divided up the churchly lands among the nobility and the merchant class. Education in our economy is about as big a factor. Furthermore,the schools and universities have taken the role of the Church as public educator. People today are as disinclined the “disestablish” the Public Schools as the English people in 1500 would have been to disestablish the Church. Every private school is a threat to his monopoly; religious schools are especially unwanted because they oppose the secularist ideology that has been embraced by the education profession. Sopowerful is it that even so-called religious colleges, such as Notre Dame and Baylor measure themselves against the thoroughly secularized Ivies.
23 posted on 01/29/2008 4:51:07 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS

Excellent analysis!


24 posted on 01/29/2008 4:51:27 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Agreed. It won’t be easy, it won’t come so even if the will is there. But not impossible.


25 posted on 01/29/2008 4:53:00 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: TexGuy

*not cheap*

There may be some scholarships that your children can qulify for.


26 posted on 01/29/2008 4:54:20 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: RobbyS

No doubt about that either. The establishment government schools are secularist monasteries and very much part of the anti-church arm of the humanist creed shoved down the throats of children. That is why some here on FR just freak at any comment that is against the powers that be. Some I understand have made other choices for their children. But alot just love the “anti-church” and follow its precepts. They don’t want others to leave the “church” and think for themselves. It is “their” religion.


27 posted on 01/29/2008 5:12:06 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: wintertime
The responsibility for educating one's children starts and ends with the parents. When a performer loses his audience, he loses his fame. When a school loses their students, they close.

Parents need to start pulling their children out and homeschool them or start what was called "dame schools." We need to come up with our own innovative solutions. We all know how crooked the school system is. Let's get our kids out, one child at a time.

28 posted on 01/29/2008 5:33:40 PM PST by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: nmh

“Why doesn’t any politician have the balls to give out vouchers? SCHOOL CHOICE? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?”

Vouchers are not the answer. I could write a mini-novel on why vouchers don’t make good sense, but I’ll stress what I think is the most important reason: government money always comes with strings attached. Always. And those strings will most likely be seen in the curriculum. Don’t like “Heather has two Mommies”? You’ll *really* dislike it when it’s required to be part of the curriculum at private schools in order to preserve their government voucher handout.

I don’t see why one form of welfare, government school vouchers, are so much better than the other forms of welfare such as food stamps, AFDC, or the government schools.


29 posted on 01/29/2008 5:52:11 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: TruthConquers

There is also the anti-intellectualism of the schools. The “progressive” ideology works against traditional academic learning, as the liberal political scientist Richard Hofstader pointed out nearly fifty years ago. After Sputnin there was a “surge” of reform of math and science in the schools, but that faded away with the romanticism of the ‘60s, when indoctrination in correct values of a larger and larger school population became the priority again. The most recent reforms based on the notion that testing can improve outcomes has further reduced the time alloted to traditional academics. The developers of the first public high schools would shocked by the amount of time and energy spent in just warehousing the bulk of the pre-18 population.


30 posted on 01/29/2008 6:13:28 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: wintertime
 

Look  More "SO-CALLED-CHRISTIAN-TEACHER" insults and spam..
 
(((HUGS)))
 

31 posted on 01/29/2008 6:30:52 PM PST by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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To: wintertime
#15
 

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32 posted on 01/29/2008 6:32:06 PM PST by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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To: wintertime
#10
 

Look  More "SO-CALLED-CHRISTIAN-TEACHER" insults and spam..
 
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33 posted on 01/29/2008 6:32:45 PM PST by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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To: RKBA Democrat
How this - stop TAXING ME for public schools since our child doesn’t attend one. Tax those whose kids attend a public school. I shouldn’t have to subsidize their disaster.
34 posted on 01/29/2008 6:55:26 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh

“How this - stop TAXING ME for public schools since our child doesn’t attend one. Tax those whose kids attend a public school. I shouldn’t have to subsidize their disaster.”

Agreed. But it isn’t going to happen.

At least you have the option of taking your own kids out.


35 posted on 01/29/2008 6:59:43 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Who knows how long it will last ... it’s not cheap ... .


36 posted on 01/29/2008 7:23:00 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: RKBA Democrat; nmh; mosby
Agreed. But it isn’t going to happen.

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It can happen.

What is needed is for enough parents to leave the government system. They are voters and they and their kids are attached to relatives, friends, and neighbors that pay taxes and vote as well. Also,,,,The population is aging. There will be fewer households with kids. People on retirement incomes are especially unhappy with high property taxes. As homeschooling grows it will not go unnoticed that homeschoolers have superior outcomes ( socially and academically) on literally pennies a day.

Also,,,I am noticing a change.

It used to be that when I mentioned that I homeschooled my kids, I was the one who had to defend my choice. Now, it seems that it is parents whose kids who attend government schools are the those giving the excuses and explanations. I hear, “My husband and I both have to work.”, or “It’s one of the ‘good’ government schools.” “My child is ‘special needs’.”,etc. It’s as if, now, the superiority of homeschooling and inferiority of government incarceration is automatically acknowledged.

Hopefully, we can get to the point where teachers start apologizing, explaining, and offering excuses for working in the government schools. Most of all, I hope self-proclaimed Christian teachers will start feeling embarrassed for the harm they are doing.

(Mosby,,,This is your cue for posting your big brown spam. )

37 posted on 01/29/2008 7:30:27 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
There may be some scholarships that your children can qualify for.

Oh Yeah ... Please continue, Tell me more.

38 posted on 01/29/2008 7:51:05 PM PST by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: TexGuy

I’m not hugely knowlegable about it, but I know there are some out there.

Are you from Texas, as your name seems to indicate?


39 posted on 01/29/2008 7:54:51 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: TexGuy

I may have found something you could use. Here is the link, good luck to you!

http://www.freegrantskit.info/privateschools.htm


40 posted on 01/29/2008 7:57:12 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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