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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; HarleyD; ...
When it comes to killing the infidels, the Muslims, like the Jews and the Evangelical Christians, believe that they are doing "God's" work and don't see it as crime but as "justified" killing. This should sound familiar to your side when it comes to biblical atrocities "ordained" by God.

Your complaint is with God. I didn't write the OT, I just believe in it. And your comparison is false. No Christian today has cause to "follow the Bible" and kill people. But many Muslims believe that they are following the Koran in their murders. I have seen articles that have analyzed the Koran and it appears to me that the fundamentalists have a case. No Christian would have such a case.

Neither side "wantonly" murders; atrocities are "justified" as "God's" "plan" and the purpose of which is all for His glory. Thus the slaughter of Canaanite infants and even live stock is seen as "pleasing" to God.

God ordered such specific missions of specific people at specific times. I have no evidence that He has done so since Christ. No Christian has any Biblical justification to carry out such acts on his own. It is only the terrorists who believe they have justification, not Christians who follow the Bible.

I would say that the Koran equals or even pales when it comes to the cruelty of Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus. To me they are all the same.

I have no doubt of it. :) But just remember that the cruelty that you see in the Bible is directly from your own God, as HIS WORD says and stands by. You yourself have said that Jesus quoted from the Septuagint, which related this cruelty that disturbs you. Yet, He never once said anything against it, now did He? In fact, He stood squarely behind all of these stories as matters of fact.

They all read the same. Senseless cruelty; that's all.

The difference in the passages you quote is that in those from the Bible they refer to God's actions or specific orders to specific people, whereas, in the one quote from the Koran, it appeared to give a general command to all people as they see fit. That's a huge difference.

There is no Christ in any of these.

There is no Christ that YOU believe in, in any of these. Your personal views of the Bible necessarily color your perception of who Christ IS.

6,776 posted on 07/31/2008 4:39:12 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; ...
Your complaint is with God. I didn't write the OT, I just believe in it

I don't have a complaint with God. I have a complaint with people who claim God wrote the Bible and can't prove it. The so-called Bible-belivers do this so they can accuse others of being against God, and to place themselves in a self-rightous seat to judge, without having to prove anything.

If you can't prove it, then you can't use it as an argument, FK! Do you understand that? I am sure you do, but then everything you claim turns into dust.

If you believe it, that's fine with me. Either state it as your belief (i.e. "I believe God wrote the Bible" rather than "God wrote the Bible") or keep it to yourself.

Don't spout your personal beliefs as some universal truth. I have no problems with people's beliefs as long as they understand that their beliefs are not the universal truth, but just their personal beliefs for whatever they are worth.

You always have a spare word for the Church hierarchy claiming extraordinary things, and you yourself are doing the same thing. Good job, FK!

God ordered such specific missions of specific people at specific times

Prove it.

But just remember that the cruelty that you see in the Bible is directly from your own God, as HIS WORD says and stands by

Prove it.

I have seen articles that have analyzed the Koran and it appears to me that the fundamentalists have a case

That's your opinion.

You yourself have said that Jesus quoted from the Septuagint, which related this cruelty that disturbs you

Jesus quoted parts of the OT, those parts that related to His ministry. And as we have seen from enat's sad example, sometimes the authors would make things up and attribute it to Jesus!

In fact, He stood squarely behind all of these stories as matters of fact.

Those verses that He or the authors of the NT chose to attribute to Him, yes. His whole teaching, taken collectively, is not what the OT taught.

The difference in the passages you quote is that in those from the Bible they refer to God's actions or specific orders to specific people, whereas, in the one quote from the Koran, it appeared to give a general command to all people as they see fit. That's a huge difference

LOL! I am not even going to entertain this statement, FK. I have told you, there are pages and pages of God-ordered cruelty in the OT. Directly attributed to Him. Don't be a "lawyer." :)

There is no Christ that YOU believe in, in any of these. Your personal views of the Bible necessarily color your perception of who Christ IS

Maybe one day you will come down from that cloud in the sky and realize that you are just like me. :)

6,779 posted on 07/31/2008 6:40:00 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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