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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; ...
No where does God tell believers in general to wantonly go out and murder unbelievers at will. The jihadists believe their holy book says to do just that. Day and night

Islam teaches that it is the Muslim's duty to convert others the way Evangelicals believe it is their duty to evangelize everyone (according to the Great Commission which was specifically addressed to the Apostles, and by extension, their successors of their choice).

Historically, Islam has tolerated the "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians), although as second-class citizens. Islam mercilessly exterminated any other (non-biblical) religious sect and cult

Examples...among hundreds others:

In their conquest, they would offer defeated Christian kings and nobility a chance to convert and be saved. Otherwise they were beheaded. Muslims are particularly sensitive to what they perceive as "Crusaders" for whom they have little tolerance.

When it comes to killing the infidels, the Muslims, like the Jews and the Evangelical Christians, believe that they are doing "God's" work and don't see it as crime but as "justified" killing. This should sound familiar to your side when it comes to biblical atrocities "ordained" by God.

Neither side "wantonly" murders; atrocities are "justified" as "God's" "plan" and the purpose of which is all for His glory. Thus the slaughter of Canaanite infants and even live stock is seen as "pleasing" to God.

Every religion "justifies" its crimes the same way. Whether it is killing for Christ, for Yahweh/Eli or Allah, murder and even outright genocide are twisted into "holy" work of God through his human intermediaries.

I would say that the Koran equals or even pales when it comes to the cruelty of Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus. To me they are all the same.

They all read the same. Senseless cruelty; that's all.

There is no Christ in any of these.

6,739 posted on 07/29/2008 11:11:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
"They all read the same. Senseless cruelty; that's all. There is no Christ in any of these."

My dear Kosta, how little you know our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. Be certain He shall not always remain full of grace and mercy in the face of unrighteousness. All judgment is turned over to Him. He and He alone will qualify to open the seals. Just as God the Father judged the Son on the Cross, so to shall the Son judge all unrighteousness brought before Him.

All of human history is His Story. When God commanded the slaughter of His enemies, that was All Christ, the second person of the Godhead, determined by the Father and when implemented through faith in Him, performed by the Holy Spirit to glorify the Son.

6,740 posted on 07/30/2008 4:42:19 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; HarleyD; ...
When it comes to killing the infidels, the Muslims, like the Jews and the Evangelical Christians, believe that they are doing "God's" work and don't see it as crime but as "justified" killing. This should sound familiar to your side when it comes to biblical atrocities "ordained" by God.

Your complaint is with God. I didn't write the OT, I just believe in it. And your comparison is false. No Christian today has cause to "follow the Bible" and kill people. But many Muslims believe that they are following the Koran in their murders. I have seen articles that have analyzed the Koran and it appears to me that the fundamentalists have a case. No Christian would have such a case.

Neither side "wantonly" murders; atrocities are "justified" as "God's" "plan" and the purpose of which is all for His glory. Thus the slaughter of Canaanite infants and even live stock is seen as "pleasing" to God.

God ordered such specific missions of specific people at specific times. I have no evidence that He has done so since Christ. No Christian has any Biblical justification to carry out such acts on his own. It is only the terrorists who believe they have justification, not Christians who follow the Bible.

I would say that the Koran equals or even pales when it comes to the cruelty of Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus. To me they are all the same.

I have no doubt of it. :) But just remember that the cruelty that you see in the Bible is directly from your own God, as HIS WORD says and stands by. You yourself have said that Jesus quoted from the Septuagint, which related this cruelty that disturbs you. Yet, He never once said anything against it, now did He? In fact, He stood squarely behind all of these stories as matters of fact.

They all read the same. Senseless cruelty; that's all.

The difference in the passages you quote is that in those from the Bible they refer to God's actions or specific orders to specific people, whereas, in the one quote from the Koran, it appeared to give a general command to all people as they see fit. That's a huge difference.

There is no Christ in any of these.

There is no Christ that YOU believe in, in any of these. Your personal views of the Bible necessarily color your perception of who Christ IS.

6,776 posted on 07/31/2008 4:39:12 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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