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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; ...
Kosta: The Church Christ established and left to the Apostles and their successors simply believes that God in His infinite love offers the same blessings to all.

FK: Obviously, in strong contradiction to the Scriptures. The Church you say was established by Christ feels free to contradict Christ whenever it wants. In this case, for example:  Rom 9:14-16 : 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

Why don't you quote Christ instead of quoting Paul quoting the OT and saying it's "Christ?" Christ is quoted as saying God causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [Mat 5:45]

In your book, Paul and Moses trump Christ.

So, obviously, God does not treat everyone equally in all ways. God gives saving grace to whomever He wishes, but not to all men.

Obviously, Christ, even Paul is telling us otherwise. He died for all, and thus offered righteousness to  all mankind. Some take it, and some don't.  One does not quote the OT to express Christ correctly; one quotes Christ to express the OT correctly. True Christians put Christ first, Paul and Moses second.

But, I expect that they would have rejected the Septuagint because it was in Greek, not the original language. Presumably, they HAD the real Masoretic Text. You can't blame them for that

How naive, FK. The Dead Sea Scrolls, written in the "original language" agree with Septuagint as well as with the Masoretic Text, so the original language was not the issue, even though it may have been used as an excuse.

Judaism was not monolithic, but heterodox. The Samaritans, who are Jews, ethnically and religiously, were treated as such by the Pharisees only when their worship and Tanakh (written in biblical Hebrew) agreed with Pharisaical worship Tanakh version! Otherwise they rejected it, and treated them as non-Jews (one major reason being that the Samaritans don't believe the Temple should be in Jerusalem).

Modern Judaism is a derivative of Pharisaical Judaism that rejected all other forms of Judaism, including that of the Sadducees and the Essenes and Samaritans (until the 18th century). More importantly, Pharisaical Judaism was an enemy of Christ and anything Christian, so the very fact that the New Testament is overwhelmingly based on Septuagint is reason enough for them to throw it out, whether it was written in Greek or not!

And if the theory that Mark wrote his Gospel in Hebrew first is true, why is is not in the Tanakh, except for it being Christian? Can't blame the language in Mark's case.

6,674 posted on 07/26/2008 10:29:48 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; HarleyD; ...
FK: Obviously, in strong contradiction to the Scriptures. The Church you say was established by Christ feels free to contradict Christ whenever it wants. In this case, for example: Rom 9:14-16 : 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

Why don't you quote Christ instead of quoting Paul quoting the OT and saying it's "Christ?" Christ is quoted as saying God causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [Mat 5:45]

I quote from wherever the facts and issues take me, or even better, from wherever the Holy Spirit leads me. :) In this case, even if you don't believe that Christ was speaking in the OT per my quote, then you still are alleging that "God" contradicts Christ. That doesn't make your case any better. :) Certainly God gives SOME blessings to all people so that they might exist, but the gift of salvational grace is only given to a few.

In your book, Paul and Moses trump Christ.

No, and that is because there is NEVER a need for that. What Moses and Paul wrote was completely true, and does not conflict with Christ. ("Moses wrote about ME!") By my own stated beliefs you have me saying that God trumps God because I say that all scripture is God-breathed. That's impossible. :)

True Christians put Christ first, Paul and Moses second.

In terms of their PERSONS, yes of course. But we are talking about scripture here. God-breathed does not trump God-breathed as to truth.

6,706 posted on 07/28/2008 1:27:32 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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