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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; HarleyD; ...
FK: Obviously, in strong contradiction to the Scriptures. The Church you say was established by Christ feels free to contradict Christ whenever it wants. In this case, for example: Rom 9:14-16 : 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

Why don't you quote Christ instead of quoting Paul quoting the OT and saying it's "Christ?" Christ is quoted as saying God causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [Mat 5:45]

I quote from wherever the facts and issues take me, or even better, from wherever the Holy Spirit leads me. :) In this case, even if you don't believe that Christ was speaking in the OT per my quote, then you still are alleging that "God" contradicts Christ. That doesn't make your case any better. :) Certainly God gives SOME blessings to all people so that they might exist, but the gift of salvational grace is only given to a few.

In your book, Paul and Moses trump Christ.

No, and that is because there is NEVER a need for that. What Moses and Paul wrote was completely true, and does not conflict with Christ. ("Moses wrote about ME!") By my own stated beliefs you have me saying that God trumps God because I say that all scripture is God-breathed. That's impossible. :)

True Christians put Christ first, Paul and Moses second.

In terms of their PERSONS, yes of course. But we are talking about scripture here. God-breathed does not trump God-breathed as to truth.

6,706 posted on 07/28/2008 1:27:32 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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I quote from wherever the facts and issues take me, or even better, from wherever the Holy Spirit leads me

Oh, sure. Very convicing. And I imagine with a little star dust you can fly too...right? So, this is not really you doing the answering but the Holy Spirit? Should I porstrate myself to the ground now? This is the type of self-deifcation that the Reformed thoelogy does to people, by elevting their own interpretation on the level of God. I have news for you: it's called ego and it is spelled self0righteousness.

you still are alleging that "God" contradicts Christ

Christ of the Gospels contrasts a lot of the OT. The two are often diametrically opposed.

("Moses wrote about ME!")

You have still failed to show me where. Raising of a prophet is a far stretch of one's imagiantion.

By my own stated beliefs you have me saying that God trumps God because I say that all scripture is God-breathed. That's impossible.

By your stated beliefs, yes. But your stated beliefs are about as credible as anyone else's stated beliefs. They are not a certificate of truth to anyone except you and those who think like you, but not in any absolute sense. I hope you realize this one day. It's a humbling experience, FK.

No one holds a monopoly on truth. It's a choice what we believe.

Kosta: True Christians put Christ first, Paul and Moses second.

FK: In terms of their PERSONS, yes of course. But we are talking about scripture here. God-breathed does not trump God-breathed as to truth

You have no proof that the Bible is God-breathed (as you define it). You choose to believe it.

6,747 posted on 07/30/2008 9:26:48 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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