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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
Jesus' movement separated from John the Baptist early on. John's followers to this day maintain that he was the true messiah. The Gospels try to correct this impression without making John an enemy of Christ. After all, John was one of those few people filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb.

John even said he was not fit to tie Jesus' sandals. I give him a pass. Maybe Paul was thinking of these followers when he didn't want to baptize people.

But, unlike Jesus, John preached angrily and violently. Jesus' message was fundamentally opposite of John's.

That just can't be right, or Jesus would not have said what He said about John. Yes, their styles were very different, but the message was essentially the same. If John's message was opposite to that of Jesus, then it could not "have fulfilled all righteousness" for John to baptize Him. Jesus calls him MORE than a prophet (Matt. 11:9).

6,455 posted on 07/10/2008 4:29:54 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
Kosta: But, unlike Jesus, John preached angrily and violently. Jesus' message was fundamentally opposite of John's

FK: That just can't be right, or Jesus would not have said what He said about John. Yes, their styles were very different, but the message was essentially the same

That's news. Josephus (1st century) writes about John as being perceived as a rebel rouser and associates his beheading with the fear form Herod that he would start a rebellion.

Jesus never called for a rebellion. Nor did He preach angrily as John the Forerunner did.

If John's message was opposite to that of Jesus, then it could not "have fulfilled all righteousness" for John to baptize Him

Why did baptizing Jesus "fulfill all the righteousness?" Christ did not need to be baptized nor was He any more just after that.

Jesus calls him MORE than a prophet (Matt. 11:9)

What would that make him then? What is above a prophet if a prophet is a human being with whom God communicates and reveals His truths?

6,511 posted on 07/15/2008 10:00:06 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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