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Posted Scripture by FK-””1 Cor 6:19-20 : 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

2 Tim 1:12 : That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet I am not ashamed, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him for that day.

FK’s personal interpretation of the Scripture “”Paul seems to think we can know. And notice that Paul didn't need another per on to declare whether he was saved or lost. Paul knew it because of the personal relationship he had with God, one on one. It is the same with believers today.””

1 Cor 6:19-20 ]Paul does not say that by just believing we have secured our salvation.He is telling them to honor God,this requires perseverance.

Tim 1:12 Speaks of suffering for faith. This requires perseverance.

Having crosses and suffering in your life is the lesson here. If you don't have them you're obviously not leading the Christian life you think you are.

Scripture say we can fall away.

11 And the king went in to see the guests: and he saw there a man who had not on a wedding garment. 12 And he saith to him: Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? But he was silent. 13 Then the king said to the waiters: Bind his hands and feet, and cast him into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 22:11-14

Jesus says many are called but few are chosen. This man, who was destined to grace, was at God's banquet, but was cast out.

"And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who seeth the Son, and believeth in him, may have life everlasting, and I will raise him up in the last day."
-John 6:40

Everyone who sees the Son and believes means the person “continues” to believe. By continuing to believe, the person will persevere and will be raised up. Belief also includes obedience, which is more than an intellectual belief in God.

FK-””Then on what basis do you say we will be judged for Heaven or hell? I don't think I have ever heard an answer from an Apostolic that doesn't amount to a point system.””

Dear Brother,We are judged by our love for one another,our perseverance through trials,willingness to suffer for the good of others,our humility etc..

This requires dying to oneself,something we are not preprogrmmed to do

Dying to oneself has to be a free decision.

I wish you a Blessed day

FK’s personal interpretation of [1 Cor 6:19-20 and 2 Tim 1:12] “”Paul seems to think we can know. And notice that Paul didn't need another per on to declare whether he was saved or lost. Paul knew it because of the personal relationship he had with God, one on one. It is the same with believers today.””

1 Cor 6:19-20 ]Paul does not say that by just believing we have secured our salvation.He is telling them to honor God,this requires perseverance.

Tim 1:12 Speaks of suffering for faith. This requires perseverance.

Wow! Talk about personal interpretations and ignoring the obvious. :) Those take the cake. Just ignore the text and insert what one wants. OK. I have certainly seen this before. In the first Paul asks them if they KNOW, because they SHOULD know. In the second Paul says flat out "I KNOW". But since that doesn't match the theology of men, it must be thrown out.

I give you the scripture itself and you give me the Church's interpretation of it. Assuming you are getting these lists from some website, I do not blame them at all for not putting up the actual scripture to allow the reader to compare. That would be disastrous. :)

Scripture says we can fall away. [Re: Matthew 22:11-14] Jesus says many are called but few are chosen. This man, who was destined to grace, was at God's banquet, but was cast out.

God obviously made an outward calling to all of the Jews, yet we all know that only a few of them were chosen to be saved. Where do you get that this man was destined to grace? It doesn't say that. He may have THOUGHT he was chosen, but that was a false belief, just as many have false faith. There are many who go to church who are not saved, but think they are, just as this man.

[Quoted by STF:] "And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who seeth the Son, and believeth in him, may have life everlasting, and I will raise him up in the last day." -John 6:40

I agree with everything you say here, but it is not an argument that one can lose His faith. We disagree on whether God makes any promises about this and whether it is guaranteed to happen by God. Once we become children of God, does He just leave us all alone to earn our way the rest of the way in? Reformers say "NO".

Dear Brother,We are judged by our love for one another,our perseverance through trials,willingness to suffer for the good of others,our humility etc.. This requires dying to oneself,something we are not preprogrmmed to do/

These are all deeds (or mindsets that necessarily result in deeds) which can be measured by God. Does the Church give any indication about how God approaches this? I.e., does every person have his own assigned personal scale against which he will be judged, or is there one scale against which all people will be judged and either meet or not meet requirements? Paul rails against this theology, of course. He says instead of this we are under grace and NOT under Law.

Dying to oneself has to be a free decision.

What in your mind constitutes a "free decision"? If God changed a person's heart such that He would want to come to Him, would that violate the "free decision"? If so, then may I assume that you would not want God to change your heart in that way?